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    Art: The expression of concepts and emotions by external...

    Bullfighting is a form of art which ought to perdure

    The title seems self-explanatory, but just in case my oponent to be is of the school which regards the definition of art, for instance, controversial, I will define the terms. Art: The expression of concepts and emotions by external signs. Bullfighting: By bullfighting we will understand the standard form of "toreo" (Corridas de toro) in Spain Some terms will be in Spanish, as some terms would be in French if we were to speak of fencing, in Japanese if judo or English if rugby. I will try to reduce this to a minimum and will always provide at least an approximate translation. Round 1 is only for acceptance and round 5 only for conclusions. Good luck.

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    1] It was commissioned by the de' Medici family, and...

    Art Critique Debate! (Not Drawing Competition)

    I am, it seems, placed in a rather awkward spot. I have no doubt on the good character of my opponent, and I do not wish to cause drama, yet I feel it would be unfair towards me to not point this out. Two things ought to be said: a. this competition was regarding art, as in painting of sculptures, not photography; b. my opponent gave more than one piece to be appraised. For the first I guess it was never expressly mentioned, but the second should be assumed. It is unfair that my opponent gets to place 9 photos, and so I ask the voters to take this unfairness into consideration when casting their ballot. To what must happen, I leave to the wit of the august judges. This is the last round, and so I am posting one of the greatest paintings ever made. Not only does the art have an immensely different style, an impressive allusion, but it is also a sight for sore eyes. I present: 'The Birth of Venus' by Sandro Botecelli.[1] It was commissioned by the de' Medici family, and displays the classic signs of Florentine Art. Florence was perhaps the city most artistic, and this is one of the Florentine masterpieces. The painting itself shows the story of Aphrodite (Venus) as she emerges from the sea. As we know when Uranus was cut into pieces, the pieces fell into the sea, and out came Venus.[2] Venus then, the goddess of both infautation, and of true love is displayed. One will, in further inspection, find the classics of Platonism displayed in the painting. Instead of showing the genetalia which is common for Aphrodite, the painter thought to rather cover it up with a golden lock of hair. Also instantly another goddess comes to wrap a shall around Venus. Venus' face is significant. Contrasting to many Greek images her face here is made a bit solemn, as if wisdom is hidden behind her beauty. This is what this truly signified, behind all the infatuation, there is a transcendence so described by Socrated in Plato's Symposium. The picture in itself is instantly captivating. To make this is truly a difficult work. You will once more see the flowers overlaping the Titan's clothes, different contrasting colors of blue have also been used. Instead of long brushstokes this painting is nearly entiirely made of small, precise strokes. Also the color is to be spoken of. Instead of use normal colors, Botecelli made his own colors, using oild and egg whites.The result that you get is that beautiful haziness to be found in the left side, contrast the haziness of the precision of the trees on the right. The more you look at this painting, the more it shall reveal. I truly feel this is a fitting painting for the last round. I thank FaustianJustice for this competition. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org...(Botticelli)#mediaviewer/File:Sandro_Botticelli_-_La_nascita_di_Venere_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg [2]http://en.wikipedia.org...

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    Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still...

    Art Critique Debate! (Not Drawing Competition)

    I thank FaustianJustice for accepting this debate, I am sure it will be a riveting experience. Call me cliched but my first piece is Vincent Van Gough's: Starry Night. My reason is more than just the pretty colors. The picture itself symbolizes the conflice within man, the dialectical conflict. As Kierkegaard sais: all despair is pleasure, all pleasure despair. Now there are afew things to spot here. The first is the color of yellow, as Starry Night was made when Gough had lost it, and yellow is often a color of xanthophobic infatuation, it would be right to say that the deep strokes of yellow symbolize the mind wanting out. Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, saying, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” Genesis 37:9'. You will find both the Sun, and the Moon, alongside exactly 11 circles of colors in the painting. You will also see the Church being particularly taller than the other buildings. Like Joseph who was cast out by his 11 brothers, Vincent obviously feels exiled by the critics who called him a loon, and bad at Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, saying, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” Genesis 37:9'. You will find both the Sun, and the Moon, alongside exactly 11 circles of colors in the painting. You will also see the Church being particularly taller than the other buildings. Like Joseph who was cast out by his 11 brothers, Vincent obviously feels exiled by the critics who called him a loon, and bad at art for he was mixing impressionism with expressionism. Like Joseph he feels he is being protected from a Divine force. You will notice that the brush strokes are extremely difficult to reproduce, and larger wave collides with a smaller one. Similarly the moon is drawn in the Sun. This is that dialectic contradiction which had become Gough's very existence. Now take the mountain, it has no shade of yellow, it is devout, cast away and yet it has risen beyond even the Church to the very 11 planets. Similarly this is Gough at once trying to comfort himself, pain that very despair that is the existence of man. Taking fantasy and reality, what he was feeling, and combining it together. You can see that the base is a town, ordinary looking. That is Gough's origins, him convincing himself he is sane, with only higher ambitions. So because this is an utlimate piece of expressionism, and impressionsim; because it has unique brushstrokes and uses contrasting colors; and because it embodies that ultimate contadiction ot man: sanity and insanity; to be or not to be; I feel my opponent cannot place another art piece to its level. Here is the link if you cannot view the art work:http://www.debate.org... General Links: http://legomenon.com... By the way I know my S&G is bad here, but I should note that the voters are not supposed to consider that in their vote. Thank you.

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    Maybe you're not aware but because of the personal lives...

    Separate the art from the character or personification of the artist

    I don't quite follow everything in what was posted but judging by the last paragraph, There appears to be agreement here. Viewing art by a bad character is not wrong. The is the topic of the debate or what's suppose to be. Separating the art or the collective works is about judging according to the merits of it. Let the work speak for itself. Maybe you're not aware but because of the personal lives of these individuals, Their collective arts have been terminated from being broadcast-ed or distributed. I'm not certain whether currently the cancellation of these works have been lifted or not. We can agree the artist that designed the art is related. Not much else is relevant, Especially when the work has been designed to produce positive influence. Their personal circumstances should not enter into it or be an influence. I understand because of Ms. Roseanne Barr's commentary, It influenced some people that had an affect on her career. That had more to do with ratings, Appealing to people that would watch a t. V. Show. These are people that tie personal politics to somebody's work for a living. Again, Not allowing the merits of the work speak for itself. In this case amusing people, Making folks laugh, Is overshadowed by the sensitivity to the person's or performer's character. So whether it's a murderer or bank robber, Their contributions or donations to several charities and hospitals are positive deeds.

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    I apologize that I have to use an old debate's work. I...

    Art Critique Debate! (Not Drawing Competition)

    I apologize that I have to use an old debate's work. I did not have enough time. My reason is more than just the pretty colors. The picture itself symbolizes the conflice within man, the dialectical conflict. As Kierkegaard sais: all despair is pleasure, all pleasure despair. Now there are afew things to spot here. The first is the color of yellow, as Starry Night was made when Gough had lost it, and yellow is often a color of xanthophobic infatuation, it would be right to say that the deep strokes of yellow symbolize the mind wanting out. Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, saying, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” Genesis 37:9'. You will find both the Sun, and the Moon, alongside exactly 11 circles of colors in the painting. You will also see the Church being particularly taller than the other buildings. Like Joseph who was cast out by his 11 brothers, Vincent obviously feels exiled by the critics who called him a loon, and bad at art for he was mixing impressionism with expressionism. Like Joseph he feels he is being protected from a Divine force. You will notice that the brush strokes are extremely difficult to reproduce, and larger wave collides with a smaller one. Similarly the moon is drawn in the Sun. This is that dialectic contradiction which had become Gough's very existence. Now take the mountain, it has no shade of yellow, it is devout, cast away and yet it has risen beyond even the Church to the very 11 planets. Similarly this is Gough at once trying to comfort himself, pain that very despair that is the existence of man. Taking fantasy and reality, what he was feeling, and combining it together. You can see that the base is a town, ordinary looking. That is Gough's origins, him convincing himself he is sane, with only higher ambitions. So because this is an utlimate piece of expressionism, and impressionsim; because it has unique brushstrokes and uses contrasting colors; and because it embodies that ultimate contadiction ot man: sanity and insanity; to be or not to be; I feel my opponent cannot place another art piece to its level. Here is the link if you cannot view the art work:http://www.debate.org... General Links: http://legomenon.com... By the way I know my S&G is bad here, but I should note that the voters are not supposed to consider that in their vote. Thank you.

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    Also, if these students are bad at art and the teachers...

    Art and Music Classes Should Be Banned In The United States Educational System

    I think that art and music classes should be banned in the United States Educational System for a couple of reasons. During my argument I will explain to you why I think that art and music classes should be banned in the U.S., (United States,) Educational System. School is a place for learning, not drawing and singing. This brings me to my first point, having art and music classes takes away from the time students could be learning important and useful things. For example, you have a student who is doing poorly in Math and doesn't really enjoy having to take work home. Now, if we took art and music classes out of schools, the classes would be longer so the student will have more time in class to work on homework and talk to the teacher about the work. My second reason is, some students are not very good at art or music. These students could fail the classes, I don't think that you can really grade art, but the teachers have to grade it. Also, if these students are bad at art and the teachers don't like the students art, the students can't really improve on their art. Then in music class, some students aren't good at music either, which could result in failing the class. Now, every school district has a different number of classes you can fail, but still pass the grade. So if a student failed art and music, they could fail the grade too. If a smart student failed art and music that would ruin their chances of getting into a good college, and that could ruin their lives. So, do you really want students failing in school because of un-educational classes? Thank you for reading my argument, I hope you enjoyed it.

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    TF2 was a unique class based FPS developed by Valve and...

    Team Fortress 2 hats are destoying the art style

    TF2 was a unique class based FPS developed by Valve and release in 2007. It was famous for its diversified classes and unique and appealing art style but in one update hats were introduced. Soon more hats were introduced with weirder designs and more unappealing looks. Now everyone has a weird hat and misc item that is mismatched and mixed with horrible colours that just make the TF2 art style to busy and unsightly and silly (The original style was cartoonish but it was consistant and didn't have hideous neon green jackets). I do not want to argue that the hats are a scam Valve made to get money from people and made TF2 based around trading. I dont want to argue whether F2P made TF2 bad. I just want to argue that the new hats have ruined the art style Valved had worked years on perfecting in development. (Note that this does not nessacarily represent my views on hats in TF2)

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    For example if you look at one of the works of Tracey...

    Is a pile of laundry art? Challenging an earlier debate

    This is my first debate, so greeting to all who read it :). After reading an earlier debate involving the con (1) the area of the debate i am referring to is in round 2. I did comment the following statement but i thought it might be interesting to take this into a debate. I would have to say that a pile of laundry could in fact be art. For example if you look at one of the works of Tracey Emin entitled 'My Bed', Emin presents us with nothing more than an untidy bed surrounded by various personal items such as dirty underwear, sheets, cigarette ends, empty alcohol bottles etc. Whilst you could argue that this could be classed as lazy art you also have the reasoning behind the creation of the work which is Emin giving us an insight into a part of her life where she suffered a mental breakdown. The 'mess' around the bed alluding to the mental state of Emin during this time, the fact that the bed was in fact Emins actual bed and the fact that during this time she spent countless hours suffering in this bed....gives us such a personal insight into the world of the artist which revolutionises your view of the bed. No longer is it a conglomeration of random items but a personal expression of suffering and pain expressed. Therefor a pile of laundry could very much so 'be art', it could allude to any form of methodology...Identity, Feminism, Social History to name but a few along with being a direct representation of the artists and maybe the perceived role that person has had to take in society in order to progress through life. Speaking as a female artist i could easily tie my under ware to the end of a pole and proceed to produced painted works that are a representation of the submissive and responsible role that i as a woman have time and time again been expected to take in society and then photograph myself whilst doing this and exhibit the photographic images as a serious yet slightly humorous statement.....would this be considered lazy art?...to some yes but to those who take the time to understand the meaning behind the work then the answer in my opinion would be no...it would not be considered lazy art but instead an expression of emotion, frustration and an attempt to reach out and bring awareness to that specific issue along with highlighting the suffering i have gone through in trying to fight that oppressiveness. 1. https://www.debate.org...

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    It's like comparing a film to a static portrait and...

    CMV: Most attempts to dismiss a medium or work of art as "unartistic" only serve to validate it further, since it's challenging the detractor's expectations of what art is, ergo it is art

    Lengthy title, but this is something I think about a lot. My personal philosophy (which I suppose is equally CMV-worthy and probably would've made for a snappier title) is **"Not everything is art, but anything can be made into art"**. To elaborate, if everything is automatically art, the word doesn't mean anything at all, but any materials we can find can be moulded by humans to form a work of artistic expression (this includes "readymades", pieces of natural debris that are presented in galleries with minimal or no alterations). I think that principle is broad enough to be sound, while still retaining some level of definition to the word, though I suppose from a religious 'intelligent design' standpoint, everything was created by God, therefore everything truly is already art as it was designed by an intelligent being. I dunno, I don't want to get into that hot mess. Anyway, onto the main topic, it's one of the main debates you'll always find in any artsy sphere. "X cannot be art because of some arbitrary quota it doesn't entirely conform to", "Y cannot be art because it's just a rock in a museum, no one did anything to change it, it means nothing", or more often than not, "Z cannot be art because... it's bad and I don't like it". But if a proposed piece of art is challenging your expectations, if it's giving you a visceral reaction of rejection, surely it is successfully performing one of the principle "jobs" of what a work of art should do, yes? It's challenging, it's making you think, you're reacting in some way to it, and a person (or multiple persons) have put some creative effort into presenting it. Now of course, everyone's personal definition of art is different, it's about as subjective as art itself. Hell, even I'm nowhere near na?ve enough to say something insipid like "all art is equal", of course I have my own subjective preferences, and I definitely do not put everything on the same level of artistic value. As much as I enjoy, say, *He-Man and the Masters of the Universe*, I'm not going to put it in the same universe of quality as *Dimensions of Dialogue* by Jan Svankmejer, and that's in the specific medium of western animation alone. Let's get some of the biggest elephants in the room out of the way. Video games. While I do naturally see video games as an artistic medium, I firmly believe that it's still in its infancy. There's some latent potential left to be fulfilled, for sure. However, there are a great many games that have genuinely innovated and pushed the mould, both in gameplay and narrative. The dedication to the former is a sticking point for many, as the inherent interactivity of video games is antithetical to the "shared experience" of art, to some. Every decision made in a video game makes the experience different to somebody else's, as the argument goes. I fundamentally disagree with this. For one, everything in a video game is curated. No matter the arbitrary path you take, it's all a part of the game. For two, comparing a video game's narrative to a film's is moot. It's like comparing a film to a static portrait and concluding that the painting is inherently worse because there's no movement (funnily enough, I have heard this bilic argument in real life from an otherwise very intelligent friend of mine). No shit there's interactivity in video games, that's exactly the point. From a tonal standpoint, I do understand the argument, there are relatively few games that have shown a comparable level of meaning, nuance or depth to the venerated works of prose, poetry, cinema, etc throughout history, though I've been to several respected museums that have had video game-themed or interactive exhibits, showing a recent willingness to open up to the idea. On some level, almost any art is interactive for people crazy enough to do so -- a public statue can be defaced or displaced to another location, a painting can be stolen, a film reel can be cut up and re-edited, a video game can be hacked and modded into unrecognizability. It is a very complex matter that I feel boils down to a totally different, alien set of priorities that applies solely to video games which other mediums simply cannot equivalate, combined with the *extremely* corrupt, unabashedly greedy and corporatist nature of the mainstream "TrIpLE AYyyYyY" video game industry that often goes out of its way to stifle change and creativity. It's comparable to the Hollywood studio system in that respect. Just about every medium has faced similar arrogant dismissals from elitists and connoisseurs. Cinema, television, and even literature have all been snarled at in the past. It's only to be expected. Okay, enough of that. Onto the next elephant, "modern art", an even more complex subject I'm probably not qualified to cover. "Modern art" is an incredibly broad, almost meaningless term (modern to whom, I wonder? The modern Ancient Romans?) but everyone kinda knows it as a sarcastic diminutive to refer to perceived low-effort, meaningless, ultra-mega-postmodern rubbish that anyone could make. There's an excellent [Imgur](https://imgur.com/a/GIsdl) album from r/Exhibit_Art that can act as a crash course. Even now, many people tend to be skeptical of so-called modern art, including professional appraisers, but I feel that the main point of many of the most controversial pieces, from Piero Manzoni's *Artist's Shit* (ninety tin cans of literal human shit) to Duchamp's *Fountain* to Banksy's self-shredding *Girl with Balloon*, is to mock the fundamental pretentiousness of the art collector community who will pay millions for actual trash so long as it's placed in a museum or signed by a respected artist. It's still art, but it can also be seen as a big reflexive joke. The story of the *A pair of glasses on the floor* in that Imgur album illustrates this well. There are more genuinely meaningful works that have similar aesthetics, like Warhol's *Campbell Soup Cans*, John Cage's *4'33* and Yves Klein's *The Void*, but in any case, all these pieces elucidate that even the most ignominious objects and abstract concepts can be tools for expression. In all honesty, I don't particularly want my view to be changed as I feel very strongly on this topic, but I hope to see some other perspectives at least.

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    http://www.thefreedictionary.com... ... My conclusion is...

    Woodshop should be considered an art in High School

    "First of all, art class is different than woodshop class. In art class, you create products that are only for their beauty. In woodshop, you can make something that is not only beautiful, but can be useful in your life."-K-Lew So are you saying that art is only for beauty and since woodshop is beauty and useful than its engineering. So if your statement is true then wouldn't woodshop be technology/engineering and arts. "Stuff in arts and crafts are only for appearance, nothing more."-K-Kew Was that an conclusion or something you made up. There is no definition that says that in any way. Popularity: Top 30% of words Simple Definition of craft : an activity that involves making something in a skillful way by using your hands : a job or activity that requires special skill crafts : objects made by skillful use of the hands http://www.merriam-webster.com... craft (kr""'ft) n. 1. Skill in doing or making something, as in the arts; proficiency. See Synonyms at skill. 2. Skill in evasion or deception; guile. 3. a. An occupation or trade requiring manual dexterity or skilled artistry. b. The practitioners of such an occupation or trade considered as a group. 4. pl. craft A boat, ship, aircraft, or spacecraft. 5. crafts Items made by craftspeople. tr.v. craft"ed, craft"ing, crafts To make or construct (something) with care or ingenuity. http://www.thefreedictionary.com... Definition and Meaning The term "craft" denotes a skill, usually employed in branches of the decorative arts (eg. ceramics), or in an associated artistic practice (eg. lace-making). A key feature of crafts is that they involve a high degree of "hands-on" craftsmanship (hence the colloquial term "handicrafts) rather than just skill with a machine. http://www.visual-arts-cork.com... See my point. " I just gave you an example with the wooden hammer."-K-Kew Your hammer example makes me question also if your even had woodshop because I don't recall anyone making a wooden hammer. "In woodshop, you use a computer-aid design program to design your product."-K-Kew Another point that makes you question if you ever had woodshop because the only time we use a computer was to make a report and get graded. What your saying is drafting. "Technology not only means "advancement in computer technology", but it means advancement in society in general. The products created in woodshop advance society because they are beneficial and can make life easier."-K-Kew What in woodshop makes life easier. A wall shelf? "The products made in art are only for show and emotion. "-K-Kew When I made my cutting board it's was beautiful and useful. From the mineral oil changing the color of the wood to a more beautiful appearance. Something only a woodshop student can understand. With this is where problems araise. If you don't have experience personal you won't relate. My source weren't about woodshop I was comparing something that is considered art when it shouldn't be according to the definition of engineering. Which so happens to be pottery. So my question is how is pottery not engineering when it uses machines like the potter's wheel and stove? Keep in Note also counter the fact that you can make bowls which are the same as pots excluding building material. "In woodshop, you use hard materials such as wood, plastic, or metal."-K-Kew This fact is invalid you use mostly wood only time you would use plastic is when you're making a pen. In the end some projects are more engineering than art but vise versa to. There is wooden bowls, magic box, and woodturning so tell me how that isn't art. The magic box is a Square with a cube inside it if that makes any sense and is used only for decoration. I cut my wood into smaller piece that are long and narrow as an artist would slash his pencil. Then I glue them together as an artist would outline their work. I scrape the glue off as an artist would erase fix there mistakes. Then I sand it as an artist would put it's final touches. Then I finally put mineral oil as a artist would put his work in a frame. My conclusion is that woodshop is engineering and art. Pen=Engineering Bowl=Art

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    The purpose of education is, among others, established...

    Resolved: Budget Cuts to Art classes are justified

    The resolution comes down to two central questions: What are the conditions under which we call something “justified”, and do the budget cuts to art classes fulfill those conditions? Let’s start out with a few definitions: justified 1 based on sound reasoning or information 2 being what is called for by accepted standards of right and wrong [1] The art classes budget cuts are the direct result and fault of the education budget cuts, which are part of a larger campaign of budget cuts, which is called the Sequester, according to the White House [2]: “about $1 trillion in automatic, arbitrary and across the board budget cuts”. The Sequester is the result of the President and the Congress not reaching an agreement on a plan to reduce the US deficit by $4 trillion. The sequestration is generally responsible for the education and arts classes budget cuts. [3] If sequestration is not justified, then - in extension - the budget cuts to arts classes cannot gain justification out of nowhere and must be considered “not justified”. In order to be justified by definition 1, the budget cuts must not be unreasoned. The Sequester is admittedly “arbitrary”, which means it lacks basic reason for its selections and therefore is not justified. The Sequester is but one extreme example of the general policy of budget cuts. My research has not come up with any given reasons for specific cuts to art classes budgets. It appears that they are just cut for the sake of it, along with many other budgets. Which shows that all those budget cuts are arbitrary, for all we can tell. By definition 1, all these cuts are hence not justified. By the second definition, in order to be justified, the budget cuts must not be unfair and undeserved. The purpose of education is, among others, established as: - To prepare children for citizenship - To cultivate a skilled workforce - To teach cultural literacy - To help students become critical thinkers - To help students compete in a global marketplace [4] It is suspected - not ever explicitly admitted by schools, though - that art budgets are cut because ”a common cost-cutting measure is to slash funding for arts education, prioritizing what are deemed more essential subjects such as math, reading, and science.”[11] So, if I can show that arts classes substantially aid the above purposes, cutting their budget must be considered undeserved and unfair, as other subjects are prioritized wrongfully. Business expert Daniel Pink argues in his best-selling book “A Whole New Mind” that our society is now in “a Conceptual Age where our problems no longer have a single verifiable answer. [...] education is still firmly geared towards the needs of the Information Age, a quickly disappearing era. It’s as if our children are moving along an assembly line, where we diligently instill math, reading, and science skills and then test them [...] Today, a successful member of society must bring something different to the table. Individuals are valued for their unique contributions and their ability to think creatively, take initiative and incorporate a global perspective into their decisions.” [4] Online Colleges has compiled no less than ten scientific studies that support art education. [12] According to those, art education: - increases performance in reading, writing and math. Thus enhancing all those subjects that are most often deemed “more important”. Specifically, “students who received more arts education did better on standardized tests, improved their social skills and were more motivated than those who had reduced or no access”, based on 62 studies. - makes children “better on six different categories of literacy and critical thinking skills” - “helps students improve visual analysis skills, learn from mistakes, be creative and make better critical judgments” - “can actually help connect [children] to the larger world, ultimately improving community cohesion”. - makes pupils “more cooperative and expressive and enjoy a better rapport with educators”, who in turn are happier and more satisfied with their jobs. - “has a quantifiable impact on levels of delinquency, truancy and academic performance”, leading to lower dropout scores and more graduations - “can be a valuable education reform tool, and classroom integration of creative opportunities could be key to motivating students” - “can help rewire the brain in positive ways”, increasing fluid IQ measurably. - is denied to more than 50% of all pupils, especially underprivileged ones who might profit the most So art classes teach creative thinking, problem solving and focus less on competitive thinking, making our children more inclined to cooperate. [5][6] We have major problems to solve in the future that need creative solutions. Creative thinking is at the core of innovation, and with conservative energy sources running out and the demand for energy increasing ever more, we need very innovative ideas if we want to keep our way of life. Media are also a huge business, and growing fast. [7] By cutting art classes, we do not prepare our children for a future in the media industry. The results are showing already. Despite the US producing one billion-dollar movie after the other, most of the visual effects which attract large audiences are outsourced to Australia, Asia and New Zealand. [8] This means billions in revenue and taxes going to other countries. So in cutting art classes, the US forfeits a lot of money its people could better use practically anywhere. Art classes are a long-term investment in the future of entrepreneurship. In 2010, the director of the Arts Education Partnership reminded readers in her report: “The arts are also defined in federal legislation as a core academic subject and an important component of a complete and competitive education [...] they must also possess a deep and broad knowledge of [...] the arts. The New Commission on the Skills of the American Workforce noted: ‘In fact, mastery of the arts and humanities is just as closely correlated with high earnings, and, according to our analysis, that will continue to be true. [Arts] and economics will give our students an edge just as surely as math and science will.’”[9] Fundamentally, if we are to assess the importance of art classes, we must also assess the importance of education as a whole. The UN have also established the importance of education: “Article 26 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that “everyone has the right to education”. Education is not only a right but a passport to human development. It opens doors and expands opportunities and freedoms. It contributes to fostering peace, democracy and economic growth as well as improving health and reducing poverty. The ultimate aim of Education for All (EFA) is sustainable development.” Education for All Goals Goal 1: Expand early childhood care and education Goal 2: Provide free and compulsory primary education for all Goal 3: Promote learning and life skills for young people and adults Goal 4: Increase adult literacy Goal 5: Achieve gender parity Goal 6: Improve the quality of education”[10] Cutting the education budget AT ALL is thus damaging to the basic rights of those it affects, reducing the quality of and access to education. Hence, cutting the budget of art classes is in extension also wrong on the same levels. [1] http://tinyurl.com... [2] http://tinyurl.com... [3] http://tinyurl.com... [4] http://tinyurl.com... [5] http://tinyurl.com... [6] http://tinyurl.com... [7] http://tinyurl.com... [8] http://tinyurl.com... 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    I would invite anyone who is interested in knowing why...

    Aikido is not an effective martial art

    I would invite anyone who is interested in knowing why Aikido IS a great martial art, especially for self defence, to PM me for my personal opinion. I will only respond to users who have profiles with "real" content, forum postings, debates, friends etc. The philosophy within Aikido is as important as any physical training or methods of defence. Being "at one" with one's opponent is what Aikido aims to achieve. In doing such one can avoid provoking an opponent to a level that self defence is neccesary in many instances. When physical defence of self or a loved one is needed to be applied, that same "at one ment" with an opponont can serve to position the opponents force against him/her, and also utilizes the force of gravity. I really wanted to discuss this subject with an opponent, but maybe a future debate will give me that opportunity. These links will give more info: http://www.stenudd.com... http://www.stenudd.com...

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    Anyway, I simply, believing that you were imposing the...

    Hate speech against Modern Art should be considered Artist

    Dear Opponent, I am not confused in any way as to the meaning of "Freedom of Expression". I will, though, admit that I misunderstood and under-read your first argument, and believed that you, in fact, were placing unrealistic standards upon art, and I apologize for my mistake. Furthermore, I did not intend for it to be placed in an analogy with you deciding to "kick a guy in a wheelchair" and claim that it is "freedom of movement." (Which, in fact, does not exist in our current bill of rights, but I do not wish to debate about that, only the topic at hand.) Anyway, I simply, believing that you were imposing the "unrealistic standards" that you mentioned earlier, meant for it to be read into as follows; You may not like another person's painting, or sculpture, or any sort of art piece, and you most certainly could complain about it, and you are constitutionally given the unalienable right to do so. You may publish your grievances, you may protest, you may do anything you like. I just believe that in the end of it all, art is art, and there will be standards, but each person will have separate standards that they deem fit in their own minds, because you can think whatever you like to. I do not have standards. I think that art is not a material thing, such as a painting. A painting could be considered a work of art, but not art itself. Art is a way to express your thoughts in a way that you, and other people may understand. You may paint a skyline scene, or a stable scene, or you may paint an abstract of calming colors such as blue and purple, in order to display your mood. In the end, I agree, you are correct about there being several people imposing those standards, but I do not think that it is as prominent of a problem as you think. Thank you.

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    Rebutalls Pro has failed to establish why all instructors...

    Martial art instructors should not teach children a martial art

    Rebutalls Pro has failed to establish why all instructors are bullies. I'm not going to refute this anymore because I have a feeling Pro is just repeating himself. Most of his arguments are emotion to appeal. Just because people learn to take hits, it doesn't mean we all should consider it as accepting abuse. That is just Pro's interpretation of what a martial art instructor is. Let the student decide what he wants. You keep showing random youtube videos. I have no idea whether this is legit, or some guy trying to put something up for views. So I can't take it seriously. Argument sakes, I will though. First of all, this doesn't represent all martial arts teachers. Simply saying children should be banned from learning because a bunch of nutjobs were doing something is not a good argument. Sometimes, calling the police isn't an option. If you are in the park, and some guy apporaches you, are you going to ask him if you can borrow his phone to call the cops? Nobody is training them to be assassins. Martial arts is about self-defense. Ok? And that has what to do with what I said?

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    Morality is about not causing harm and acting with...

    Bullfighting is a form of art which ought to perdure

    You argue its an art. I agree, skills can be described as art, art has a very loose definition. I argue that it ought not to perjure, as its essentially the same as the Roman Amphitheatre. One is forced to suffer, in order to give pleasure to others more powerful. This isn't about the human impact, its about the bull. I ask you, would you play the part of the bull, if you could? If not, then doesn't that mean you agree with me: that's its wrong? I think you can sound as smart as you like, and waffle on about art and symbolic meanings to the sport. But at the end of the day, you just are not wise enough to appreciate the feelings of the bull. If it was a human you wouldn't agree, so why do you agree with a bull? You must believe that he suffers less, well he doesn't. So you are either ignorant to this fact, or you don't care about it. Which one is it? Can you tell me if you fit into any of these categories: 1st. You know the bull suffers, you don't care enough. 2nd. You don't think he suffers. 3rd. You know its wrong, and would be rid of it in a perfect world, but believe the benefit too society is so great it should perjure. Your argument is that it 'ought to perjure'. 'Ought' just means 'should'. You didnt say for whome it should. So maybe for the humans it 'should' continue, on the grounds that it offers some benifit. (I would argue that it doesn't benifit humans, but this argument is deep and difficult to grasp, so I will say no more at present). But for the cows, it should not continue, if they are to benifit. You did not say who it ought to perjure for, and so on them grounds your statement is false. My arguments are as follows. 1 - 'Ought' means 'should'. What we 'should' do is subjective, but that's the word used in the argument. I think if we are to search for a universal and all-encompassing understanding, of what 'ought' to be done, it would be the most morally justified act. Morality is about not causing harm and acting with compassion, rather than selfish gain. To make a bull suffer the name of 'sport', art or business, is not morall by any standards. So if its not the most morally correct path, then by most standards, we 'ought' not to ensure its continuation. 2 - You say 'ought to perjure', but you don't state for whom it 'ought' to perdure. So I argue that for the cow, it 'ought' not to perjure, for no one should prolong their suffering. So your statement isn't universally true. 3 - I argue that it ought not to perjure because it doesn't have a very positive impact on society. The event and sport might have a positive impact like football, but the fact that its a bull fighting with a man, is not essential for this impact to happen. It's the event, not the sport, that brings about a positive social impact. For bullfighting doesn't happen in other countries and all is just fine. But bullfighting, I think, gives a less than ideal message to society. For it dismisses the rights of those who may be considered 'less' than ourselves, it glorifies violence, it endorses unfair fighting (on the bulls behalf), and least of all it doesn't exactly educate or help us become more enlightened. Indeed, those things it does endorse, actually diminish enlightenment and intellectuality. 4 - Give the bulls a break. It's not nice. Stop it. That's what you would say to a child if they started tormenting an animal. It's just an immaturity, a tradition that has been passed down from an age of 'immaturity' and barbarism. It ought not to perjure in an enlightened age. Rebuttals. --First 'hinge' argument: "its an ethical form of expression" Since when is captivation, forced fighting and killing ethical? It's not 'ethical' whatever you say. 'Justified' maybe, but not 'ethical', unless we are living in topsy turvy land. --Your second 'hinge' argument: "it's not a bloodsport, it's a form of art transmitting value" No it is both. (Bloodsport-'sport in which blood is shed'). Bulls shed blood, it's a bloodsport. It might be art too, but that's not important compared to suffering. I'm sure there is an art to murder and there is certainly an art to torture. The 'art' argument has no place in ethics, for no amount of pleasure can match even the smallest amount of suffering. --You argue that because its been force bred its ethical. I don't understand why this makes any difference. --You argue we have stewardship. No we don't. We are just another animal, nature has got on fine for billions of years before we started to dominate. And even now, if we are a steward, we are a pretty lousy one. We should be ignored. Indeed, who gave you this right of stewardship? --You say it highlights a relationship between man and nature that is one of dominance. This is a bad approach to teach people about our relationship with nature. We should teach people to be humbled by nature and recognise its power over us and its majesty. Not our domination over it! That's what gets us into all this environmental damage we are in! --Teach us to face death? Maybe it does. But we can be taught in other, less exploiting ways. Other cultures do just fine without it. --You say it teaches us about civilisation over barbarism. I cannot thi"k of a better way to express your civil nature than by stabbing a bull to death in front of a jeering crowd. Seriously? --I am not going to argue with you about it being an art, for I believe this to be true. It's just irrelevant. Yes, we ignore the cultural dimension because its less important than suffering. But we acknowledge it, just we feel its not important compared to the conditions of the bulls. If we stick to our cultures of the last 2000 years, we will be in a right mess. It's time to move on, you DON'T need bullfighting to legitimise your identity, it's just a "sport". (I say 'sport' in inverted comers, because its not technically a sport. Sport is a game between two or more CONSENTING parties) Thank you, I look forward to your response. Thank you

  • CON

    But we can also express creativity through painting or...

    Debate #26: Schools should replace art and music with calculus

    We can express our creativity through writing books. But we can also express creativity through painting or drawing. There is no need to destroy But we can also express creativity through painting or drawing. There is no need to destroy art. Calculus is not involved in most jobs. Trigonometry might be. Algebra will be. But calculus- that's the highest form of math there is. Only people heading into incredibly scientific jobs will need to use it. Also, art and music does come in handy in certain jobs- if you want to be an artist or a musician. Ever think about that? We should give kids the option to take calculus of they're up for a challenge, and have art and music as options too. We do not need to replace art and music with calculus. Those are the most enjoyable classes for many students. Your proposition is absurd.

  • CON

    In order for art to have merit it should be able to be...

    In order for any work of art to have merit, it should be understandable to most people.

    In order for art to have merit it should be able to be argued to mean many things, otherwise it is not art of merit but simply of presentation.

  • CON

    2.) ... Definitions: Art Classes - Drama, music, dance,...

    Students should be required to take art classes in highschool

    Rules: 1.) The first round is for acceptance or for challenging/advancing new definitions. 2.) No new arguments in the last round. 3.) No trolls. 4.) Keep it frosty. Definitions: 2.) No new arguments in the last round. 3.) No trolls. 4.) Keep it frosty. Definitions: Art Classes - Drama, music, dance, visual arts, etc.

  • CON

    I will be arguing that Woodshop class should not be...

    Woodshop should be considered an art in High School

    I would like to thank my opponent for letting me accept this debate. I will be arguing that Woodshop class should not be considered an I will be arguing that Woodshop class should not be considered an art class, but instead as an engineering/technology class. I look forward to this debate and wish good luck to my opponent.

  • CON

    Otherwise it would be akin to arguing outright that...

    Mark Rothko's art is valid and genius.

    Thanks to Treadsoftly for starting this debate. As my opponent has yet to post an argument in support of his resolution, I could go the "burden of proof on those making the claim" route for this round, but that would be a waste 1/3 of this debate. So I'll go with what I've got, which is the resolution itself. The use of the conjunction "and" in the resolution means that if I can successfully counter either my opponent's proposed descriptions of Mark Rothko's work, the resolution itself is countered. With that in mind, I concede "valid". I'm no big art guy, but I don't think a piece of creative work could ever really be defined as a valid or invalid piece of art. Or meh, perhaps it could, but I'm not the guy to do it. So yes, I will concede that the work this man created is valid as art, if he so chose to call it that. I will therefore focus my attention in this debate on "genius". My opponent has not specified any particular piece of work by Mark Rothko, so the resolution can be taken to mean that ALL of his works are works of genius. Or at very least the bulk of his work, the defining stuff. Basically, no singling out one or two gems he may have had here and there. Otherwise it would be akin to arguing outright that "Billy Ray Cyrus' music is popular" based on that one song he did in the 90's, and that's as nonsensical as the fact that Billy Ray's mullet was once envied by men and swooned over by women. Lest We Forget. Now to define "genius" (or, more formally, "ingenious", as we are referring to a thing and not a person): 1. (of a person) clever, original, and inventive. 2. (of a machine or idea) cleverly and originally devised and well suited to its purpose. [1] We are interested in the latter, as we are not arguing the genius of Mr Rothko himself, rather that of his work, his "ideas". Therefore, my opponent must show that the work of Mark Rothko is: i) Cleverly devised; ii) Originally devised; and iii) Well suited to its purpose These terms are subjective and unable to be proven absolutely one way or the other, so this debate will come down to who can better-convince the voters how well Mr Rothko's work stands up to these descriptions. For those unfamiliar with Mr Rothko's work, this page is representative enough for our purposes here: https://www.google.com.au... Again, I'm no scholar of the arts, but he essentially made a career painting a bunch of colourful rectangles. That is as kind as I can be in describing his work, because that is precisely what it is. There is not a four-year-old on Earth who could not reproduce it. I'm certain my nephew has even created a few just like that, didn't even warrant a spot on the refrigerator. As for our requisites for ingenuity: i) This work is not at all clever, regardless what Mr Rothko or my opponent would have to say about his methods and his inspirations, let alone the "underlying meaning" of the works and that sort of guff. That stuff is all beside the point. The works of MC Escher are clever, the colourful rectangles not so much. ii) The works are not at all original. My four-year-old nephew has done some very similar stuff indeed. My opponent may counter that the works of Mark Rothko were around before my nephew was, so perhaps my nephew stole Mr Rothko's artistic style and is now claiming it as his own to score chicks at daycare. I would counter that my nephew created these drawings unconsciously whilst half asleep and simultaneously watching TV. They really are just colourful rectangles placed in some sense of arrangement. iii) The works are not particularly well-suited to their purpose, presuming the purposes of art are to be adored, to make people think, to create emotions within people, etc. Again, they are just colourful rectangles, none of that stuff going on here. I will leave it there for now. Can I please ask those voting for spelling/grammar to keep in mind that I am from Australia and so my spelling of the word "colourful" is indeed correct, at least to me. Thanks. [1] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...