• CON

    museums already do this. ... This is evident in the fact...

    free admission to art museums

    museums already do this. This still is not enough money to replace admission fees. This is evident in the fact that most free This is evident in the fact that most free art museums have to close because of finances.

  • CON

    But that is hardly a sign of beauty, as these sources are...

    Video Games are Art on Par with Motion Pictures.

    According to Pro, films and video games have to meet three criteria to be considred "art": aesthetic appeal, a coherent plot, and philosophical depth. Pro's case 1. The game Journey may be beautiful according to some people, but I doubt artists would find it beautiful, or art historians, or art scholars. When Pro claims it is "as beautiful" as Malick's The Tree of Life, Pro is making an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary proof. A quick look at revies of Malick's film shows that it is considered by artists, art critics, art historians, curators, public intellectuals, in short, anyone qualified to make the claim that it is art. Who says Journey is beautiful (no claim of it being art yet)? Pro cites Entertainment Weekly, IGN, and various video game companies. But that is hardly a sign of beauty, as these sources are not authorities on the matter. In fact, these sources are entertainment sources, suggesting Journey is entertainment, not art. Beautiful entertainment, but entertainment nonetheless. Pro claims the Smithsonian held an exhibit on early video games. This tells us that, as a historical phenomenon, video games are art. As a historical fact, many things are considered art that ordinarily are not considered art. You can go to museums and plausibly find the Throne chair of some medieval king. Is that chair art? You can rest assured it was never intended to be art. Hence the question: are video games art in and of themselves? Pro provides no evidence as such. Moreover, Pro provides no reason to think beauty is necessary. For example, atonal music is considered modernist art, but atonal music is clearly not "beautiful." Saying video games are beautiful does not mean they are art. 2. Coherence is a not a factor in determining whether something is a work of art or not. Many of the greatest works of art, including literary, filmic, visual, and musical, are not coherent or representational. In other words, they don't tell a story, they don't represent or mirror reality in any way. Jackson Pollock's paintings are fully abstract. Examples of art films without a coherent plot include David Lynch's Inland Empire or Godard's Weekend. Many of the greatest films are non-linear, telling a story without spatial or temporal coherence. There are more radical examples, such as the films of Stan Brakhage, that eschew narrative altogether. 3. I agree that Bioshock is one of the truly great games ever made, but does this mean it is on par with Fellini's 8 1/2 or Godard's Breathless as art? Well, the game offers various moral decisions, which force the player to undergo various moral reflections. But does this make the game art? Vladimir Nabokov, the writer of Lolita, one of the greatest aesthetic works of fiction in the 20th century, stated that art is about pure aesthetic sensation, not moral reflection or philosophical pedagogy. Gilles Deleuze, french philosopher, wrote a book called "Logic of Sensation" in which he argues that art is affective or aesthetically conceptual, but not moral or philosophical. What is art? Kant argues that the aesthetic faculties are set in motion when confronted with beauty, say that of a flower. He called the motion of the falcuties "free play," and it was a persistent free play that Kant relates with the aesthetic. Per Pro's definition in Round 1, art is two things: the expression or communication of emotions/ideas, and the reader's aesthetic reception. There is a theory (reader-response theory) that says the meaning of all art lies in the viewer, because without the viewer, the art does not in actuality manifest itself phenomenlogically. In the case of a game, the game does not exist without the gamer assuming the guise of a player-character. The player-character is the player's fictional proxy in the world of the game, allowing them to perceive facts and to perform actions in the game-world. Games require players interact with the world itself. Whereas art can be the passive reception of affect or concept, games require players to interact actively. This is a good thing, because it makes games what they are: fun. But it makes games less artistic, in that it requires the viewer to engage it before the game can affect the viewer. It requires commitment, which is not required by art. Art allows indifference as an aesthetic response, games do not. What are video games? According to recent scholarship, games are formal systems of rules and objectives set within a framework of behavioral norms. Gameplay is determined by specific rules, objectives, and norms, which are, in the best games, brought together in a formal interactive fiction. Bioshock is an excellent example of a game, offering space for players to move and kill mutants with weapons. The objective is to kill Andrew Ryan and escape Rapture. The gameplay involves competition with a number of computer controlled opponents. If all the fictive elements are stripped away, the game would not be a game. Likewise, if all the gameplay mechanics were stripped away, it would also not be a game. So the key factors in a game are the interactive fiction, and the formal system of rules. Video games are not art Why are video games, as a medium, not art? Because art has nothing to do with formal systems of rules and objectives or with a framework for interactive fiction. Do you know what a formal system of rules, objectives, and interactive fiction sounds like? Two things: langauge and life. There is a long history of art, tracing its relation to life, going all the way back to Plato. Plato censors art from the ideal city because art is one step removed from life, and therefore, two steps removed from truth. Consider: video games offer a formal system which can be populated by aesthetic objects, but populating a formal system with aesthetic objects does not automatically make it art. For example, consider a film about Picasso, and the film is filled with representations of Picasso's artworks. The film captures in one scene Picass's Guernica, a work of art shown in museums Does this automatically make the film art? No. Representing art objects within a formal system does not make something art. This brings me to my next point: Is a language art? Video games are like a langauge, providing a logical system in which players can move around and do things. People can create art with langauge, but language itself is not a work of art. Poets create art with words, but language, their medium of communication, is just that, a medium of communication. Video games, as an interactive formal system, is a medium that provides the possibility of creating art. Video games are a medium of communication. This means video games do not actually communicate or express anything themselves. They provide a framework, a formal system, in which players can express or communicate things. But the game itself? Does it communicate anything? Consider Chess. No one would consider Chess, as a game itself, a work of art. But players who play amazing chess games, and create incredibly aesthetic tactical and strategic combinations and moves, are considered artful. Hence, I want to emphasize the distinction in games between the game itself, Bioshock, and the way players play the game: the player's use of the game as a formal system. It is possible that a player use a game artfully to create an artful trajectory through the game, but the game itself is not generally considered a work of art. Video games and films Does the existence of games like Bioshock, aesthetic and philosophical in content, make some games art? This would amount to the following argument: because games have aesthetic fictions (which is to say, they contain aesthetic objects) they are art. No, as my example of a film populated with aesthetic objects already showed, representing aesthetic objects does not make something art. Hence, just because games have aesthetic features, beautiful environments, or interesting moral or philosophical concepts, does not make the game art. Out of time...

  • PRO

    It is good to get feed back on a piece of art work but...

    At school pieces of art work shouldn't be graded/levelled

    Yes but can you really learn art ? I believe that you can draw naturally or you can't. I don't think someone can just walk in and teach you art. It is good to get feed back on a piece of art work but not everyone wants it from an art teacher. Yes they may have an art degree but it doesn't mean they will mark it professionally. I think that art teachers will go on their personal opinion of the work rather than looking at the piece with an open mind. I think that mark schemes are completely wrong in art. There's no right or wrong answer in the subject. It's your interpretation.

  • PRO

    1. someone can express a creative skill such as painting...

    Art is not a reality it is a concept to people choose to believed in.

    ok lets address your first argument: Your definition is art is based on the concept of an individuals expression being based on what is beautiful or aesthetically pleasing. my definition is a creative skill put forth in a way that can be seen. one doesn't have anything to do with another. 1. someone can express a creative skill such as painting based on my definition, but if its not aesthetically pleasing, then its not art based on your definition. in addition, if something is found to be beautiful by people, i.e. a person expressing himself by throwing paint on the floor, but there was no skill involved then it doesn't meet my definition. still proving that art has no set definition and can only exist to the person defining it, if someone doesn't define art then they don't believe in it and it is an unproven concept. 2. happiness is never brought up in either definition, that's just something that you took it mean("this picture on the wall that is someone's expression of life makes me happy, therefore this picture must be 1. someone can express a creative skill such as painting based on my definition, but if its not aesthetically pleasing, then its not art based on your definition. in addition, if something is found to be beautiful by people, i.e. a person expressing himself by throwing paint on the floor, but there was no skill involved then it doesn't meet my definition. still proving that art has no set definition and can only exist to the person defining it, if someone doesn't define art then they don't believe in it and it is an unproven concept. 2. happiness is never brought up in either definition, that's just something that you took it mean("this picture on the wall that is someone's expression of life makes me happy, therefore this picture must be art"). Even if i grant you that your interpretation is ok, it still proves my argument which is that art is based on belief. it is a unproven concept that people choose to accept, like religion, but is not based on anything factual, and i don't believe in it. personally im happy when im well rested, does that mean rest is art? your next argument, 1. your running away with this "everything is art" and "happiness is art" idea. i already address this in my 2nd point of my last argument. but to add to it, you're assuming that everyone has known happiness. that is not a proven fact. even if it was, many people would argue that happiness doesn't equate to art, like to 2 people that defined the word for us. neither use the idea that happiness is a factor in determining what art is. 2. further, a lot of people that would meet your original definition of art, ie, someone that painted a beautiful painting, may not be happy. lots of people express themselves for example by painting aesthetically pleasing pictures because they are depressed or miserable. some can only do it when they are in that state. your last arguement 1. i think your missing my point about art. I'm saying that art exists about as must as God, Allah, or Buddha do. all are concepts that people have chosen to except as their reality despite the inability to provide proof that they exist. art has been accepted by millions of people all with their own opinion of what is and no way to tell them they are wrong. i can think a painting is a really cool painting or a dancer is very talented but that doesn't mean the picture or the dance is art. again my argument still holds true that it is an unproven concept. it is based on a persons personal opinion and if someone doesn't accept any of the definitions and chooses not to define it then they don't believe in art. that means art is not their reality. 2. and 2nd the sky isn't actually blue. its every color in a prism but the gas molecules that exist in our atmosphere only absorb blue light and scatter it in many directions. so i guess that means that im valid in denying that art is reality huh? your argument is basically about art being happiness and beauty and anyone knowing happiness knows art. then you said everyone knows happiness so that means art exists. my point, which i think you've failed to address, is that thats your opinion and you're not wrong for it. nor are the people that created either of the definitions that we used in this debate. thats why im right that art is an unproven concept. anyone can call anything art and be right by their definition murder, pictures, music, nature, stripping, whatever you want. or a person can not accept any of the definitions and not believe in it all. good debate...thanks for being my opponent

  • PRO

    How easy it is to die in an instant.you also learn the...

    Roads kill is better than art

    I prefer road kill for the following reasons. It's easily disposable. You can just pick it up and throw it away without worrying about how much its worth. Also road kill teaches you about death. How easy it is to die in an instant.you also learn the anatomy of an animal by seeing its guts fall out and seeing its brains.roadkill is edible as you can just scoop it of the road and eat it.roadkill is also more interesting than today's modern art as you can just sit there in disgust looking at it. With modern art you look in disgust at how it's considered art but its just not the same.

  • PRO

    In order for budget cuts on art classes to be justified...

    Resolved: Budget Cuts to Art classes are justified

    The resolution comes down to two central questions: What are the conditions under which we call something """justified”, and do the budget cuts to art classes fulfill those conditions? Let's start out with a few definitions: justified 1 based on sound reasoning or information 2 being what is called for by accepted standards of right and wrong [1] While budget cuts are unforunate, budget cuts still happen. When budget cuts happen, art classes are often one of the first classes to suffer budget cuts. In this debate, I will be arguing that budget cuts to art classes are justified in particular, not budget cuts in general are justified. In order for budget cuts on art classes to be justified under the first definition, they have to be based on sound reasoning or information. The most common reason why art classes suffer budget cuts is so that core classes such as English, math, and science do not suffer the budget cuts. To quote my opponent's source: " Art education increases performance in reading, writing and math. Thus enhancing all those subjects that are most often deemed "more important" " [2] This quote supports that art education is an enhancement to English, writing, and math. If budget cuts were directed to these subjects instead of art, then art classes would serve less purpose of receiving funding. Thus this supports that budget cuts to art classes is justified over budget cuts to core classes (english, math, and science.) Furthermore, art related occupations are quite low paying (http://www.forbes.com...) According to forbes.com, art related majors provide 5 out of 10 of the lowest paying majors, while math and science jobs are among the highest paying jobs (http://www.bls.gov...) Also, one can get art education outside of the classroom, thus the school does not have to use its budget to pay for art classes. (Note: Due to time running out I will have to cut this round short, thank you for your time.)

  • CON

    3.) ... I look forward to the contender's rebuttal.

    Students should be required to take art classes in highschool

    I thank the contender for submitting his argument. On to my rebuttal. Rebuttal: Students need exposure to art. My opponent has made an argument that in order to be prepared for future confrontations with art you must be exposed to it in high school. This is not true. 1.) The introduction to the arts that they give in middle school would be enough to establish that there is indeed a thing called art and would teach any basics that they might need. 2.) A job or career that uses a form of art would, most likely, require a college art class, not a high school art class. 3.) If someone came up to you and said "Draw me a picture of a dog" or "Recite this dramatic piece of prose with emotion" would a single high school art class leave you any more prepared than plain ol' living? It hasn't done so for me, I still can't draw more than basic stick figures! Rebuttal: Art is a form of communication. I agree with my opponent on the fact that art is indeed a form of communication. It can, in my opinion, be one of the most emotional and expressive forms of communication. Also, just as my opponent says, art can be relaxing for the artist and, if the artist is good enough, for others. These are both reasons why art should be an option for students, here's why it should not be a requirement. 1.) Art is not a practical means of communication in our everyday lives and careers. We will never go to a business conference and sing out our report or draw out a customer's order in a restaurant. 2.) Art, unless refined, can actually be the opposite of relaxing. I had to take a music class in middle school and I hated it, but as much as I hated it, my parents hated it even more. I was quite terrible with (if my memory serves me right) the flute and my parents encouraged, even begged, me to not practice it. Rebuttal: Art gives an alternative for forms of genius. As true as this may be.. 1.) An artistic genius would have recognized their gift and willingly taken any art classes that they could. 2.) A academic genius looking for a challenge most likely has finished all required courses and has plenty of room for chosen electives such as art. I look forward to the contender's rebuttal.

  • PRO

    the art of the Renaissance" How is art different then...

    Woodshop should be considered an art in High School

    Art-the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. "the art of the Renaissance" How is art different then woodshop. Like the definition woodshop express's one imagination in a visible form. Scroll Saw Projects look pretty nice and some may argue that they are art. Woodshop should be consider one year of art at high school. Images of Art https://www.pinterest.com... Images of Woodturing http://veryshareimg.com...