• CON

    Examples would be macaroni art and watercolor paintings....

    Woodshop should be considered an art in High School

    Before I get to my conclusion, I just want to correct my opponent on what he said previously. The concept of wood shop class is different from the concept of art class. In wood shop class, you are there to make something useful and beneficial. In art class, you are primarily there to create something beautiful and for appearance only. You can make something useful in art, but you are in art class purposely to create something for appearance usually. In wood shop, once you make the product, you can be artsy with it, by coloring it, etc. However, you are primarily there to create something useful than for beauty and emotional power. You can make your product in wood shop beautiful, but that is not the point of the class. The point is to make something that is beneficial. In a regular arts and crafts class, you are making something only for appearance. Examples would be macaroni art and watercolor paintings. In wood shop, you use more than just your hands, you use machines, such as a belt/disc sander and a miter saw. These tools are not included in art class. Arts and craft classes are not taken as seriously when compared to wood shop classes because in wood shop, you use complex machines and also use computer-aid design to draw your model. To answer your question, I did make a hammer in wood shop and a box. Not to mention, you don't use just wood, but also materials like plastic and metal. A wall shelf does make life easier. Instead of putting books randomly on the floor, you can organize them on a shelf. Your cutting board was beautiful simply because you made it that way. It wasn't necessary, but you wanted to. Your sources are unreliable because pottery isn't made in wood shop. Clay is not part of wood shop class at all. You use plastic for more products than just a pen. My conclusion is that the products you make in wood shop can become art if you wanted it to be. Not to mention, what you may think is art may not be the same with the next person. Art is not part of the original concept of wood shop as mentioned above. In wood shop, you use both hardware and software. When making products in wood shop, you use mathematical techniques to figure the measurements of the product, not in art. You generally use a computer-aid design program before you even build. What you make out of wood shop class is primarily to be used in everyday life, not art. Making it art is simply a choice, not a requirement of the class. Not to mention, another term for woos shop class is Tech Ed because again, you use both hardware and software. I enjoyed this debate. I wished my opponent can spell my username right, (K-Lew, not K-Kew). My sources can be found here: http://fabworks.eng.uci.edu...

  • PRO

    They won't and may miss out on undiscovered passions Need...

    Students should be required to take art classes in highschool

    Thank you to my contender for posting a worthwhile debate I felt like I could argue I hope the voters will see my main arguments If students don't Have to take it. 1.) They won't and may miss out on undiscovered passions Need exposure 1.) To at least know what there just like many of your core classes imply form of communication 1.) No matter what job you have you're going to have to use advertising which art can help you Save time in college 1.) even if you're not planning on taking art in college taking a high school class will save time in college Art classes generally only involve practice 1.) It's not required that you have interest in the art class (but I understand recorders suck) It's a form of genius 1.) Students who excel at art and gives the desired student better self-esteem 2.) It also gives perfect-A students who excel at computing a challenge in the academic field.

  • PRO

    Before you rebut saying these classes aren't a waste of...

    should middle school have an art class

    I strongly disagree with your statement. If art class is a waste of time, why isn't math class a waste of time? Why isn't English class a waste of time? Before you rebut saying these classes aren't a waste of time because in those classes, kids actually learn material, let me tell you this, you can learn in art class too! Just look at all the possibilities, using math to figure out the direction and angles of different lines, using English and history to determine how old a painting is, and the story of where a painting came from, and you can use science to know what chemicals go into the paint or pencil an artist uses! Art class is an amazing opportunity for a child to learn many things, and If you think that schools should not have art class, then you are just limiting the amount of knowledge a child can have.

  • CON

    Students who are interested in art and music can specify...

    Art and music classes should be compulsory in high schools

    Studying art and music in this period is a waste of time. Students who are interested in art and music can specify in the area they really like by learning from other sources and practising in clubs. Those who are not interested will have more time to learn the subjects they like. They will make a better decision on choosing a job in the future. High school students should be able to choose what electives they want to do during school. High schools making Students who are interested in art and music can specify in the area they really like by learning from other sources and practising in clubs. Those who are not interested will have more time to learn the subjects they like. They will make a better decision on choosing a job in the future. High school students should be able to choose what electives they want to do during school. High schools making art and music classes mandatory would not be a good thing. It will make it harder to find work if students mainly study art and music. Students also won"t be as interested if they"re not willing to do the class. Art and music class should be treated like a club and should be chosen to be taken during school or after school. In the end, students being able to choose their electives, it will make it more interesting for the students. Thanks to my opponent to a well thought out debate.

  • PRO

    For instance, when I read a history, sometimes I could...

    Art and music classes should be compulsory in high schools

    The art and music classes can give an opportunity to figure out about our history in the past and get a message from artists and composers. The history pictures, students can imagine how people lived in the past life. By antecedent time in art pupil can learn their culture, styles, problems and so on. Today"s generations are so lucky, because they can see history by the pictures in schoolbooks. For instance, when I read a history, sometimes I could not imagine the situation that was in past. But, by the picture of books I can imagine everything and it is easier to figure out about our history. " If you do not know the history, you do not know anything. You are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree"( Crichton) That is why, art is one of the best ways to find out about bygone and culture. In music class students can also know more about their history by poetry, or by folk songs. "There are more valid facts and details in works of art than there are in history books" (Charlie). Unfortunately, nowadays schools of many countries are more focus on subjects such as math, language, biology, however the importance of art and music has the same like in other lessons. Art and music lessons play an important role in our lives and in the lives of young people helping to involve imaginations, aid to grow morally, and learn history. Without art our life would be gray.

  • PRO

    Ernest Hemingway said about bullfighting that it is "a...

    Bullfighting is a cultural art form, not a sport

    Ernest Hemingway said about bullfighting that it is "a decadent art in every way [...] if it were permanent it could be one of the major arts."[

  • CON

    Since my opponent has made such a sweeping statement, the...

    No Game no Life is better than Sword Art Online

    Argument: "I have to say, No Game no Life is like a better version of SAO in every way," Rebuttal: My opponent has stated that the anime No Game no Life is a better anime than SAO (Sword Art Online) in every way. Since my opponent has made such a sweeping statement, the burden of proof is on Hisoka to prove that No Game no Life than Sword Art Online in every way, including having better animation, music, commercial success, and critical success. In order to debunk my opponent's argument, I will have to show one way that SAO is better than No Game No Life. 1) Commercial success: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com... All these sources show the constintancy of the popularity of Sword Art Online magna, which feeds into the popurality of the Sword Art Online anime. No Game No Life is not even on any of these lists, therefore, Sword Art Online is a bigger commercial success than No Game No Life, thus negating the resolution that No Game No Life is a better version of SAO in every way, since it makes more money and is more famous.

  • CON

    for example, the mona lisa's meaning was not found until...

    Are Videogames Art

    thankyou tsm, that was an intriguing response. now to begin : MY OPPONENT:"Per say, I was a tourist in an art museum and "Cash Crop" was on display I wouldn't really know a lot about it unless I had researched it or there was a brief history next to the display." this painting, like others, is one that takes times and creative thinking to understand the point. most all of the famous paintings made have secret meanings behind them in which the viewer must analyze and and survey until they have found this. for example, the mona lisa's meaning was not found until someone gave great thought and consideration into the true meaning of the painting, so finding out which both sides of the background signified. death, life, evil, good. etc. next i am going to combine these two quotes from my opponent because they go along with each other and it will save time rebutting. MY OPPONENT:"all the species on the station ban together in one final stand. (Link at bottom of debate) If that's not even the slightest bit inspirational I don't know what is." "the gamer learns of leadership, choices, and team work." do the gamers really learn inspiration, choices leadership, and teamwork? for when someone goes out and buys this game i guarantee you this is not what they are interested in when buying the game. you wouldnt hear some one talking to his friend and saying "lets go buy mass effect because i want to be inspired!" it would probably be more along the lines of "did you hear about the game mass effect? yeah it has tons of cool weapons and bad guys to kill!" the purpose of these games is for the gamer to kill, and if there was no action whatsoever in the game, i can almost guarantee you know one would buy it. this is why a game can't be considered next i am going to combine these two quotes from my opponent because they go along with each other and it will save time rebutting. MY OPPONENT:"all the species on the station ban together in one final stand. (Link at bottom of debate) If that's not even the slightest bit inspirational I don't know what is." "the gamer learns of leadership, choices, and team work." do the gamers really learn inspiration, choices leadership, and teamwork? for when someone goes out and buys this game i guarantee you this is not what they are interested in when buying the game. you wouldnt hear some one talking to his friend and saying "lets go buy mass effect because i want to be inspired!" it would probably be more along the lines of "did you hear about the game mass effect? yeah it has tons of cool weapons and bad guys to kill!" the purpose of these games is for the gamer to kill, and if there was no action whatsoever in the game, i can almost guarantee you know one would buy it. this is why a game can't be considered art. because when some one goes out to buy a video game, they have no desire to learn teamwork. their main goal is to watch cool new graphics, and kill enemies. most the time people skip the cut scenes (if the game lets them) so they can proceed to get on with the violence. because that is truly all video games inspire. if "the legend of zelda, had no action and adventure in it, it would not be as popular as a game it is. however when going to buy a piece of artwork, an individual is looking for learning and inspiration. when buying an "enya" cd some one is looking forward to be enlightened by the sweet voices, and positive lyrics. Thankyou TSM this has been one of few debates where i actually enjoyed myself debating. I would like to thankyou for 1. being a good opponent and staying on topic 2. being curteous to your opponent 3. not making pre-judgement as to the rounds winner like alot of my opponents tend to do 4. not pressuring voters to make a decision against their own will i would very much enjoy debating with you again. -philosophical