• CON

    So what about a group measurement, comparing the...

    Art is gay

    My opponent proposes: 1. Art sucks. 2. Only wimps like art. My opponent has failed to define art in this debate, so I am left to search for a definition myself. I propose, for the purposes of this debate, art be considered to mean any form of creative pursuit. Things like painting, drawings, music, literature, which serve no real world purpose other than to be enjoyed and reveled in. Now my opponents former claim is a bit dusty, as appeal is something which is entirely subjective. Certainly my opponent may not enjoy art, but how does this become some form of inherent measurement? If we were to measure art based on subjective appeal, we would get no where. So what about a group measurement, comparing the collective appeal with collective disinterest? But even that is still largely subjective and based on spread and popularity. My opponent has failed to give any form of way to determine that art sucks. They have simply made the claim, and expect us to agree. Now look, art has existed since the dawn of man. Paintings and music have followed us everywhere, across every culture. It should be obvious to anyone that But even that is still largely subjective and based on spread and popularity. My opponent has failed to give any form of way to determine that art sucks. They have simply made the claim, and expect us to agree. Now look, art has existed since the dawn of man. Paintings and music have followed us everywhere, across every culture. It should be obvious to anyone that art has huge appeal, else there would not be such droves that pursue it. Painting may have fallen out of the public eye in this day and age, but professional photography is it's modern replacement. And music still plays a major role in our lives. Clearly, art does not suck, as billions of people across the globe revel in artistic merit every day. My opponents latter claim is easy to disprove. Only wimps enjoy art? Leonardo Da Vinci was a wimp? Vincent van Gogh, who cut off his ear, was a wimp? Ludwig van Beethoven was a wimp? I could go on and on, listing badass artists, but I've already made my point. Clearly not ONLY wimps like art. My opponent has failed to defend his case, which falls apart in light of my own.

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  • PRO

    There are various forms of vandalism. One of these forms...

    Graffiti is art

    There are various forms of vandalism. One of these forms of vandalism is known as graffiti. Graffiti: "pictures or words painted or drawn on a wall, building, etc." [1] Art : "something that is created with imagination and skill and that is beautiful or that expresses important ideas or feelings " [2] Graffiti is basically drawings, words and more drawn or written on walls. Art can be defined in many ways. As you can see, in the definition of art, it explains how it is something created trough imagination and skill. Art can be shown through many ways like visual art. Graffiti is a way to express emotion and creativity on to a wall. Though it is illegal, it is still art. Art is also viewed as creative and spontaneous. Graffiti is a way to quickly on the spot create a message. It's like spontaneous painting, but instead of a canvas, a wall, or a sign is used. [3]Graffiti shows important messages, and feelings. These people who do graffiti are held back from art, and in result they take it out on the walls, where they are free, and don't need to follow rules. Graffiti can have various images, secret messages, and more using creativity and art to express. [4] Graffiti is a way to illegally, spontaneously express emotion, mark territory and more, using art and creativity. Ergo, graffiti is a hated, misjudged form of art. Some graffiti is actually amazing. [5] Sources: 1.http://www.learnersdictionary.com... 2.http://www.learnersdictionary.com... 3.http://www.spontaneouspainting.com... 4.http://library.thinkquest.org... 5.https://www.pinterest.com...

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  • CON

    Graffiti is usually letters put together. ... This is why...

    Graffiti is art

    Hi. I think that graffiti is not art. I think that if you want to do art, you should do it so it looks nice. Graffiti on walls or doors or trucks or wherever is not art. You are kind of ruining the thing if you draw graffiti. Graffiti is usually letters put together. Im trying to say that art is something that makes you feel good inside. In my point of view, graffiti makes you feel scared. Like, if I see many graffiti drawings on the streets, I think that I am in a dangerous place and should get out of there. Art, on the other hand, makes you feel like you should admire the work and stay. I guess graffiti makes places look... gangster like. This is why I think graffiti is not art.

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  • CON

    They DONT want art on their property. ... Why would you...

    Graffiti is art

    I. It is humiliation because its their property, and its their opinion on how they want the place to look. If they want it to look "artistic" they would do it or have someone do it. But they dont want "art" on their property. Therefore, it is humiliation. II. Ok if you ask me, I think that ruining from neighborhoods to blocks, to every single property they dont own is worse than killing thousands and saving millions to make the world a better place. III. In your opinion, destruction is art. But in the opinion who has "art" on their property, its destruction. They DONT want art on their property. Therefore, it is not art, its destructing someone's land. IV. Yes but I am saying that horror movies do make some people feel good because they enjoy getting scared. V. You can consider it art, but some people wont consider it art. Like I said before, they would consider it... a not-good thing. " Los Angeles Times supplies this bit of legal advice from former LAPD Chief William J. Bratton: "If you want to be an artist, buy a canvas." It also offers upbeat spin from Jeffrey Deitch: "We want to put out an inspirational message: If you harness your talent you can be in a museum someday, make a contribution and a living from it."" People wont consider it art if you do it on their property. VI. Going against the law is not something good. Im saying that graffiti shouldn't be considered art because if you do it on someone else's property, its jts just plain ILLEGAL. Its not courageous thing to risk yourself in jail for graffiti. And people wont consider it art if its on their property. If you really want to be so artistic, just do graffiti on a canvas or your own property. No one told you you cant have graffiti on a canvas. Tell me who did? Why would you ruin someone else's property for your entertainment?

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  • CON

    That something has a discernible point or not is not a...

    Art that has no discernible point--Modern or Postmodern--is not art

    That something has a discernible point or not is not a necessary characteristic of art. As my preliminary argument, I will simply argue that the term "art" is board enough to cover Modern/Postmodern art and ask you to provide an argument as to why the certain characteristic you find unappealing is enough to exclude those pieces from the definition of "art".

  • PRO

    By making it illegal are the higher powers degrading...

    Graffiti Art

    As said in the above argument graffiti is illegal, punishable by law, and looked down upon in society if you are caught commuting such acts. However through the course of history we can see that just because something is against the law does not mean the act is unjust or bad. In Dr. Martin Luther King's "Letter From a Birmingham Jail he says "To put in terms of St. Thomas Aquanis: An unjust law is a human law not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust." So a law that is preventing artists with a message, a story, a legacy to tell by putting up their art in what better a place than a wall where hundreds walk by; admire the art for what it is and appreciate it. Not being cooped inside a small area such as a private property or inside a barely visited art gallery, graffiti art needs to be free to all and to be seen by all. By making it illegal are the higher powers degrading human personality or not? The mention of the art on homes and private residence does upset me. As an artist I hold myself to a moral code, and that means not writing on private homes, cars that people use, or schools and churches. People who do this are not to be taken seriously as artist, and are looked down upon in the graffiti community. To your acknowledgement that you do like some street art ,that is great. However how much graffiti would you have seen in your life if it had not been put up illicitly? Not much I am going to guess. Without the artist back in the 70s and 80s putting up their names and pieces as much as they could over and over illegally, graffiti would have never gained popularity, and probably would be a dead medium. Those who draw penises and profanity on walls and mirrors and other things are childish, street art should be what it says, art, not childish marking scribbled on a desk. There is a difference between vandalism and art, and I hope that you can understand that.

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  • PRO

    It's just as beautiful as paintings of fields full of...

    Nude art is good contribution to the world of art

    Nude art is not the waste material of artist's mind. It's just as beautiful as paintings of fields full of flowers, full of life. It is just the same in nude art, the issue what do you use it for, is it a new addition to your art collection or it's just desire of your filthy mind, nude art is not just pornography it shows you life, but thoughts that appear in your mind make it pornography...

  • PRO

    However, many more so-called works of "art" are...

    Art that has no discernible point--Modern or Postmodern--is not art

    First let me clarify: There are several modern/postmodern artworks that I find appealing. They do take skill, and on some level they make a point. Frank, by Chuck Close, at the Minneapolis Institute of Art is one example I can think of. However, many more so-called works of "art" are everything but. I guess I can only really show you by example. I went to the Hirshorn Modern Art Gallery in D.C., and was amazed at how utterly pointless it all was. A few pieces especially stuck out. http://hirshhorn.si.edu... This is sloppy and pointless. It could have conceivably taken an hour to paint, I'd guess less. Where is the beauty? Where is the truth? Where is the art? This is compounded by the fact that the museum has 20 pieces by this artist, most of which follow this theme. No skill, no creativity. Or what about this one, by Lichtenstein, at the Minneapolis Institute, my home turf. http://www.artsmia.org... Once again, we see no point. At this link there is a short blurb, where you can see the museum's laughable attempt to give it a point. "Of Lichtenstein's various recurring motifs, the brushstroke, as depicted in this color screenprint of 1967, is among the most enduring icons of his art. In a parody of the painterly gesture associated with the Abstract Expressionists, he represents the brushstroke--the principal signature of the artist--as an object in its own right, a visual pun frozen in time and space. Placed against a field of colored dots, Lichtenstein's motif mimics the photomechanical printing methods commonly used to produce comic strips, thus reflecting both his Pop art sensibility and preference for the impersonal and machine-made image." So, it's a brushstroke, made to look like a comic strip, which shows us a preference for the impersonal. I'll ask again: where is the beauty? Where is the truth? Where is the art? I trust I don't have to give more links. I once saw a painting which was simply a canvas covered in salmon-colored paint, in different textures. Aside from the repulsive color, it had no purpose. It was not art. The Metropolitan Museum in New York is a prime example of this: they exhibited a picture of the Virgin Mary in a jar of urine. Why? Not to improve, art's true purpose, but to degrade. To desecrate. It is meant to shock. Once again, it is not art. Art, to define the term, is truth and beauty. It has aesthetic quality. It appeals. It is aesthetic. This trend in art, from Andy Warhol to Roy Lichtenstein to Pierre Alechinsky, is to move away from real art. Thanks, Sola Gratia

  • CON

    If people really want to do graffiti, tell them to do it...

    Graffiti is art

    This is my first debate too. :) I. "If I drew an ugly person to represent that everyone if beautiful no matter what looks, it would still be art wouldn't it?" Yes it would be. But you wouldn't draw that on someone Else's property because it wont look like you are trying to show that everyone is beautiful. It would look like you are humiliating them by drawing an ugly person. II. "War brings destruction, yet there is no art to it." War and graffiti are not the same in any way. War isn't illegal. When you have a war, you are trying to do it for good. What was the Revolutionary War for? How about the Civil War? This was for a good cause. Revolutionary war brought some destruction, but there was also a good ending. They got independence. The Civil War brought a lot of destruction, but it freed the slaves didn't it? III. "Destruction can also be seen as art." Destruction cannot be art. Illegally destructing someone's property is just plain illegal, not art. If people really want to do graffiti, tell them to do it on their property. IV. "Also there are horror movies, that scare people." People find watching horror movies entertaining and they choose to watch it. I don't like to watch horror movies so I don't have to watch it. They don't HAVE to watch it either. When people see graffiti art on their property, they wont feel entertained. They will feel maddened. Its people's choice to watch a horror movie. Let's say that there are these teens who draw graffiti all over a neighborhood. But how about if the community doesn't want graffiti in their neighborhood? Isn't that their choice too? V. "[Street artists] apply their skills, expression, and creativity, onto a huge illegal canvas." That's what I'm saying! They use this creativity onto an illegal canvas! If they do it on something illegal, its not art. Its illegal! Many people don't like graffiti in places that they own or places that graffiti shouldn't be. No one minds graffiti if you do it on your own house, but under bridges, on trucks, on other people's property, its just not legal. How is it art if it's illegal? In the US, smoking weed is illegal. But people do it because they like it. If someone calls it a hobby, I would totally disagree. You are using drugs. It cant be called a hobby. Similarly, graffiti cant be called art because it is illegal. VI. "So basically, I just want to explain how anything can be art, graffiti included." Like I said before, art is legal. But doing it under bridges, on other people's property, is not, and shouldn't be called art. I don't think it should be encouraged too. This is what I have to say about if graffiti is art. If its illegal, then it shouldn't be called art. Its illegal, so don't encourage it. Use your creativity on big posters and stuff. This is why I think I will win this debate. Thank you. On to you pro!

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  • CON

    Graffiti is not art! Some of it may be, but that is only...

    Graffiti is art

    Graffiti is not art! Some of it may be, but that is only the paintings and murals. Graffiti is what you see on the streets with gang names and code words for doing drugs or to say threats. Most drug dealers study graffiti to be able to figure out the code and where people are selling drugs based on their graffiti. Art and graffiti are two different things. Art is murals and paintings and sculptures. graffiti is gang signs and writing on walls or property in an area that it is not allowed in which is also called vandalism also graffiti is street art, that is illegal. Your turn Pro.

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