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  • PRO

    I shall continue anyway. ... I know 50 year olds and 12...

    Sword Art Online is a Good show

    Well that's sad, my opponent has left the site. I shall continue anyway. Overall enjoyment As far as I am concerned the show was excellent in providing entertainment. There is action, romance, and rivalries. As of fulfilling its goal of attracting the intended audience members, there is no set age. I know 50 year olds and 12 year olds that watch the show and continue to watch the new episodes every Saturday. As far as rewatching it, I have and continue to re-watch the show. Recomendations are the same way, I have hooked many friends and family members on the show. Most of the time that is all they talk about.

  • PRO

    2.My opponent has conceded that graffiti is vandalism....

    Is Graffiti Art or Vandelism? WHY ? x

    Welcome to DDO !!!!(I noticed that you joined only 2 days ago). 1.My stance is that the type of graffiti my opponent is referring to is vandalism. 2.My opponent has conceded that graffiti is vandalism. "i kow that it is vandelism" 3.Then she goes on to say that "but i think it looks amazing" 4.Even in the scenario where all or most graffiti looks amazing, it still is vandalism 5.My opponent agrees "i kow that it is vandelism" 6.I don't have to give sources and lengthy arguments because my opponent has admitted defeat.

  • PRO

    The side characters are really undeveloped and the way...

    Sword Art Online was a horrible show

    So what in my opinion is wrong with the show? First off, the characters are bland and unappealing. Asuna and Kirito are basically boring Mary Sue's. Their relations, dialogues with their friends and enemies come off as... bland and sometimes even awkward. They definitely tried to make Kirito a cool character, somewhat of a MMO gamer badass that is popular around girls. But well, the problem is, as he has no real interesting traits, putting him in cool situations just won't work out. He just comes as overpowered. Asuna is just bland. The side characters are really undeveloped and the way they handled the girl characters, was again, boring. Second, the pacing was absolutely horrible. The action was jumping from place to place like a kangaroo on steroids, and the action got really confusing really fast. I even had to check if I didn't miss any episodes. Third, the focus of the show was not right. Instead of really focusing on truly interesting thing in this setting, living trapped in a MMO and seeing how the game mechanics change the lives of people playing, they focused on action, wasting a really interesting idea. Fourth, the show was cheesy and full of silly dialogue. This wouldn't be bad if show had actually intended to do this, because there are shows that actually included cheesiness on purpose. But SAO takes itself way to seriously, and doesn't benefit from it's silly moments. Fifth, Kirito having a harem was just unnecessary and really threw me off. That guy had really nothing special to him and for some reason, every girl in the show loves him. Sixth, the romance between Kirito and Asuna was horribly forced. As they don't really have much character, they don't really have chemistry between them. There is nothing interesting about their love. Seventh, the second season was horrible. The change of setting completely threw away any sense of danger, the show got even more cheesy, and the villain was boring, uninteresting, annoying and uncomfortable. I await your response.

  • PRO

    In turn that is based on the shared understanding that...

    This was a piece of art, advertised and described as such, those likely to be offended were quite welcome not to watch it.

    The allegation made by those who objected to the airing of this show was that it was blasphemous. There were also objections to the graphic nature of the language and sexual reference. It seems staggeringly unlikely that 55,000[i] people had accidently been watching opera on BBC 2 having failed to watch any of the warnings in advance or the fairly extensive media discussion in advance of the broadcast. Therefore, those who watched it made a choice to do so – and it seems reasonable to consider that an informed choice. A free society is predicated on the fact that adults have the right to make choices. In turn that is based on the shared understanding that those choices have consequences; which may, potentially, cause some degree of harm to the person making that choice. Having been warned that watching the broadcast may cause them offence, viewers still chose to and some, it seems, were duly offended.  It seems reasonable, therefore, to assume that the shock was either feigned or a matter of pretence. Which leaves the matter of blasphemy; an offence against a belief system. There was no secret that religious issues were likely to feature in the broadcast and no secret was made of the fact that those views were likely to be both critical and forthright. Tuning in, specifically to be offended by something that the viewer had been warned they might find offensive seems perverse. By contrast, In turn that is based on the shared understanding that those choices have consequences; which may, potentially, cause some degree of harm to the person making that choice. Having been warned that watching the broadcast may cause them offence, viewers still chose to and some, it seems, were duly offended.  It seems reasonable, therefore, to assume that the shock was either feigned or a matter of pretence. Which leaves the matter of blasphemy; an offence against a belief system. There was no secret that religious issues were likely to feature in the broadcast and no secret was made of the fact that those views were likely to be both critical and forthright. Tuning in, specifically to be offended by something that the viewer had been warned they might find offensive seems perverse. By contrast, art lovers who wished to see the production - which had received four Lawrence Olivier Awards among other tributes – had the opportunity to experience a theatrical work they would have had a limited opportunity to witness had it not been broadcast nationally. It would be bizarre to disadvantage those who wanted to – and actually did – see the performance (about 1.7 million[ii])because of the views of those who neither wanted to see it or refused to do so [i] Wikipedia entry: “Jerry Springer: The Opera” [ii] BBC News Website. “Group to Act Over singer Opera.” 10 January 2005.

CON

  • CON

    A few may be supplied for the sake of extended support...

    Sword Art Online is a Good show

    For the sake of time conservation, my argument will be much broader compared to Pro's. My evaluation will be based on SAO's performance overall, so excuse my failure to point out specific cases. A few may be supplied for the sake of extended support for my claims, but otherwise, none will be provided. S/N : I will not be using the same systematic format as Pro. I will not be addressing transition, development, and likelihood of plot twists into different distinctive categories. They'll be implied through my response. There's a general consensus that I doubt much people would argue against : the fact that the premise of SAO is promising. By applying several themes adapted through online gaming (concept of guilds, health points, quests), the author introduces a superb idea that is extremely appealing to viewers. Because SAO is so attractive in terms of creativity, one would expect the execution to be masterful and capable of surpassing the standards that the public had set. Wrong. SAO is quite disappointing actually. 1. For one, SAO is doesn't meet any expectations for a complex or intricate plot. It lacks all the things that make any show essentially good. It claims to be a story of sacrifice and despair. A tale of alliances and betrayal. The struggle to retain humanity in front of impossible conditions.. But why in the world does it leave out all the essential components any good story needs? There's no deep interpersonal or political conflict. No psychology or moral dilemmas. No analytical tactics or mind games. No witty dialogue or response of any kind. And that is the biggest problem with this show. It is bankrupt in substance. It's mostly just uninspired action and has glimpses of good combat here and there. In other words, there isn't much analysis or strategy involved. If my intention was to create a successful mainstream show that appeals to the masses, all I'd have to do is follow the linear plot that the author wrote for SAO. 2. Another part of SAO that really disturbs me is the romance. Don't misunderstand, romance is neither necessary or unnecessary in action shows but once again what really matters is how it is delivered. In SAO, the protagonist is blessed with a flawless partner known as Asuna. Asuna and Kirito are said to be the perfect pair and many applaud them for their undying love for each other. What I fail to comprehend though, is why was the romance needed in the first place? It doesn't contribute anything special or worthwhile to the plot and is apparently just there to please hormonal teenaged fangirls. What's worse however is that their romance is- because of a lack of a better term, bland. There's no chemistry between the two. It's very similar to the interaction between middle schoolers. The male confesses his eternal love for the opposite sex, and she responds by fidgeting and shouting "Baka!", only then to abuse him somehow physically. (Recall the scene in which Asuna falls on Kirito and he accidentally gropes her breasts.) In summary, the romance is childish and lacks any spice that would affect any sane person emotionally. 3. For anyone who watches anime or is involved in literature at all, you should be familiar with the term deus ex machina. If not, here's a definition. de"us ex ma"chi"na- an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation, especially as a contrived plot device in a play or novel. Deus ex machina is primarily prominent in the second half of the first season of SAO. The protagonist literally doesn't do much but release a bunch of power ups that have no logical explanation as to where they originated from. It's a tad like the animes where "friendship and the power of will" can overcome any circumstances, even when you're 110% sure the opponent is more powerful. My only explanation as to why the directors even allowed for this to be released is that, at this point they were merely too tired and decided to throw a bunch of crap to satisfy naive watchers. There's not much to explain about deus ex machina in SAO, for it's exactly what one would expect it to be. There are a few other points that I could bring up, but because Pro didn't mention them, I will refrain from doing so. Best of luck, looking forward to your response as always!

  • CON

    The pacing was normal, like in many other animes such as...

    Sword Art Online was a horrible show

    REFUTATIONS "First off, the characters are bland and unappealing. Asuna and Kirito are basically boring Mary Sue's. Their relations, dialogues with their friends and enemies come off as... bland and sometimes even awkward. They definitely tried to make Kirito a cool character, somewhat of a MMO gamer badass that is popular around girls. But well, the problem is, as he has no real interesting traits, putting him in cool situations just won't work out. He just comes as overpowered. Asuna is just bland. The side characters are really undeveloped and the way they handled the girl characters, was again, boring." To begin with, I would like to point out all of this is subjective, and even with such an opinion false. Because of such, you are unable to factually prove that these things are true, and so your points are invalid. Anyway, I shall counter. The characters are actually quite appealing, and dialog is quite amazing. Kirito is a normal kid who learns to become better and a hero in a video game. Asuna is quite a rich teenager who likes to play video games as well. The point is that they are average, however in this world they can do thing they never could in the real one, and they are much different. Also, kirito is not over powered. As you can see, he was unable to finish that boss under the town of beggining without yui deleting the monster. Asuna is meant to be bland, because Kirito changes her through their relationship. And honestly, how is this unapealing? "Second, the pacing was absolutely horrible. The action was jumping from place to place like a kangaroo on steroids, and the action got really confusing really fast. I even had to check if I didn't miss any episodes." You just aren't otaku enough to understand. It is actually quite simple. The pacing was normal, like in many other animes such as "no game no life" and "attack on titan". He weant through a few adventures, and such is normal. "Third, the focus of the show was not right. Instead of really focusing on truly interesting thing in this setting, living trapped in a MMO and seeing how the game mechanics change the lives of people playing, they focused on action, wasting a really interesting idea." That's just like saying fairy tail should be more about the world they live in then the characters themselves. The focus can be on anything, and in this case it was on Asuna and Kirito. If anything, the focus was perfect, because quite a lot of people enjoy the Asuna/Kirito ship which brings in more viewers. And this idea you like is actually being included in GGO, the sequel of SAO. "Fourth, the show was cheesy and full of silly dialogue. This wouldn't be bad if show had actually intended to do this, because there are shows that actually included cheesiness on purpose. But SAO takes itself way to seriously, and doesn't benefit from it's silly moments." Are you kidding me? Their dialogue is amazing, and deep, not cheesy. "Levels are just numbers. In this world, strength is just an illusion. — Kazuto Kirigaya" "I'd rather trust and regret than doubt and regret. — Kazuto Kirigaya" [1] The quotes well relate SAO to the real world as well. "Fifth, Kirito having a harem was just unnecessary and really threw me off. That guy had really nothing special to him and for some reason, every girl in the show loves him." Yeah, because finishing a video game that can kill you by yourself is totally not special. He helped these girls, and saved their lives, he deserves a harem. "Sixth, the romance between Kirito and Asuna was horribly forced. As they don't really have much character, they don't really have chemistry between them. There is nothing interesting about their love." 2 people stuck in a video game who met eachother at first and some how met again and eventually earned a child that was actually a secret program imbedded in the software is very interesting! Also, it wasn't forced. There was chemistry from the start, when Kirito offered her food. "Seventh, the second season was horrible. The change of setting completely threw away any sense of danger, the show got even more cheesy, and the villain was boring, uninteresting, annoying and uncomfortable." The second season focused on him saving the girl he loves while having family issues, and trying to make it up to his family. There wasn't meant to be danger, because the 2nd season is focused on Kirito trying to fix everything. The villain was a man who made a video game just to take over peoples mind, and he raped a girl. This isn't boring at all. ========================= Not only are all of your arguments opiniated, but all your opinions are false. ========================== SAO is proven to be an amazing show, due to it's extremely high ratings. According to IMDB, a just website to which they weigh the votes in order to only use fair detailed reviews, SAO has a stunning 8.4! [2] Furthermore, they are also making the next season, GGO. If the anime was trule terrible, the ratings would be under 5.0, and they wouldn't have enough ratings to make another season. This itself factually proves that SAO was not a horrible anime. The anime also has various, various fans. So many people cosplay as SAO characters compared to other animes. This itself proves people like it, and so it cannot be a horrible anime if the majority of viewers enjoy it. In conclusion, SAO is factually an amazing show, definitly not horrible. All your arguments were opiniated, and your opinions were false. Sources: 1.http://hummingbird.me... 2.http://www.imdb.com...

  • CON

    I'd like to thank my opponent for an entertaining and...

    Is a pile of laundry art? Challenging an earlier debate

    I'd like to notify voters that my opponent could not complete the debate due to personal and educational reasons and did alert me via the PM system. We agreed to simply end the debate as a two round debate and thus I'd ask all potential voters to ignore the third round and vote as this was a two round debate from the start. I'd like to thank my opponent for an entertaining and educated debate and hope to debate her again in the future. Au revoir.