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    Art: The expression of concepts and emotions by external...

    Bullfighting is a form of art which ought to perdure

    The title seems self-explanatory, but just in case my oponent to be is of the school which regards the definition of art, for instance, controversial, I will define the terms. Art: The expression of concepts and emotions by external signs. Bullfighting: By bullfighting we will understand the standard form of "toreo" (Corridas de toro) in Spain Some terms will be in Spanish, as some terms would be in French if we were to speak of fencing, in Japanese if judo or English if rugby. I will try to reduce this to a minimum and will always provide at least an approximate translation. Round 1 is only for acceptance and round 5 only for conclusions. Good luck.

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    1] It was commissioned by the de' Medici family, and...

    Art Critique Debate! (Not Drawing Competition)

    I am, it seems, placed in a rather awkward spot. I have no doubt on the good character of my opponent, and I do not wish to cause drama, yet I feel it would be unfair towards me to not point this out. Two things ought to be said: a. this competition was regarding art, as in painting of sculptures, not photography; b. my opponent gave more than one piece to be appraised. For the first I guess it was never expressly mentioned, but the second should be assumed. It is unfair that my opponent gets to place 9 photos, and so I ask the voters to take this unfairness into consideration when casting their ballot. To what must happen, I leave to the wit of the august judges. This is the last round, and so I am posting one of the greatest paintings ever made. Not only does the art have an immensely different style, an impressive allusion, but it is also a sight for sore eyes. I present: 'The Birth of Venus' by Sandro Botecelli.[1] It was commissioned by the de' Medici family, and displays the classic signs of Florentine Art. Florence was perhaps the city most artistic, and this is one of the Florentine masterpieces. The painting itself shows the story of Aphrodite (Venus) as she emerges from the sea. As we know when Uranus was cut into pieces, the pieces fell into the sea, and out came Venus.[2] Venus then, the goddess of both infautation, and of true love is displayed. One will, in further inspection, find the classics of Platonism displayed in the painting. Instead of showing the genetalia which is common for Aphrodite, the painter thought to rather cover it up with a golden lock of hair. Also instantly another goddess comes to wrap a shall around Venus. Venus' face is significant. Contrasting to many Greek images her face here is made a bit solemn, as if wisdom is hidden behind her beauty. This is what this truly signified, behind all the infatuation, there is a transcendence so described by Socrated in Plato's Symposium. The picture in itself is instantly captivating. To make this is truly a difficult work. You will once more see the flowers overlaping the Titan's clothes, different contrasting colors of blue have also been used. Instead of long brushstokes this painting is nearly entiirely made of small, precise strokes. Also the color is to be spoken of. Instead of use normal colors, Botecelli made his own colors, using oild and egg whites.The result that you get is that beautiful haziness to be found in the left side, contrast the haziness of the precision of the trees on the right. The more you look at this painting, the more it shall reveal. I truly feel this is a fitting painting for the last round. I thank FaustianJustice for this competition. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org...(Botticelli)#mediaviewer/File:Sandro_Botticelli_-_La_nascita_di_Venere_-_Google_Art_Project_-_edited.jpg [2]http://en.wikipedia.org...

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    Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still...

    Art Critique Debate! (Not Drawing Competition)

    I thank FaustianJustice for accepting this debate, I am sure it will be a riveting experience. Call me cliched but my first piece is Vincent Van Gough's: Starry Night. My reason is more than just the pretty colors. The picture itself symbolizes the conflice within man, the dialectical conflict. As Kierkegaard sais: all despair is pleasure, all pleasure despair. Now there are afew things to spot here. The first is the color of yellow, as Starry Night was made when Gough had lost it, and yellow is often a color of xanthophobic infatuation, it would be right to say that the deep strokes of yellow symbolize the mind wanting out. Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, saying, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” Genesis 37:9'. You will find both the Sun, and the Moon, alongside exactly 11 circles of colors in the painting. You will also see the Church being particularly taller than the other buildings. Like Joseph who was cast out by his 11 brothers, Vincent obviously feels exiled by the critics who called him a loon, and bad at Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, saying, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” Genesis 37:9'. You will find both the Sun, and the Moon, alongside exactly 11 circles of colors in the painting. You will also see the Church being particularly taller than the other buildings. Like Joseph who was cast out by his 11 brothers, Vincent obviously feels exiled by the critics who called him a loon, and bad at art for he was mixing impressionism with expressionism. Like Joseph he feels he is being protected from a Divine force. You will notice that the brush strokes are extremely difficult to reproduce, and larger wave collides with a smaller one. Similarly the moon is drawn in the Sun. This is that dialectic contradiction which had become Gough's very existence. Now take the mountain, it has no shade of yellow, it is devout, cast away and yet it has risen beyond even the Church to the very 11 planets. Similarly this is Gough at once trying to comfort himself, pain that very despair that is the existence of man. Taking fantasy and reality, what he was feeling, and combining it together. You can see that the base is a town, ordinary looking. That is Gough's origins, him convincing himself he is sane, with only higher ambitions. So because this is an utlimate piece of expressionism, and impressionsim; because it has unique brushstrokes and uses contrasting colors; and because it embodies that ultimate contadiction ot man: sanity and insanity; to be or not to be; I feel my opponent cannot place another art piece to its level. Here is the link if you cannot view the art work:http://www.debate.org... General Links: http://legomenon.com... By the way I know my S&G is bad here, but I should note that the voters are not supposed to consider that in their vote. Thank you.

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    Under the direction of Rodin, the cast was created,...

    Art Critique Debate! (Not Drawing Competition)

    In coming full circle, we have sparked your recollection, enabled the artist to take you on a journey, and now, we intend for the piece to challenge you, the viewer. That, to me, is art. The viewer should feel the artist in each piece, to get some degree of how and what idea or emotion is being conveyed. Having been reminded of a work, and brought into an artist's world, we can go one step further. Now its time for you to think about what the piece is thinking. s://legionofhonor.famsf.org...; alt="" /> I submit Rodin's "The Thinker". Cast in bronze toward the late part the 1800s, this piece is larger than life in scale, and a piece not specifically crafted solely by the credited artist. Under the direction of Rodin, the cast was created, rejected, created, rejected etc, until finally the Thinker as we know him today was made. The Thinker was designed to capture the essence of man, and what makes a man (as part of mankind). Its place among sculpture is iconic. Its place among philosophers and poets is just as well placed. The implication of such a piece is obvious: what is he thinking. The artist has now challenged the viewer not to what the idea artist wants to convey, but what idea the piece is going to convey. The Thinker looks moments away from a 'Eureka'! The Thinker is one of the few pieces of sculpture that does not make use of its base to give an impression of weight. Because of this, the overall 'lean' of the figure lends itself to the illusion of implied movement, the spark of an idea soon to manifest, and bring this figure to full impetus. The Thinker represents the next step of what art is, and THAT is what makes it such an incredible specimen of sculpture. We want to know what this inanimate lump of bronze is thinking. It has made us, demanded of us to look inside and consider what it is considering. http://www.musee-rodin.fr...; --------------------------- In defense of my choice of submitted pieces, I will admit, I went outside the box in my thinking. Clearly, the instigator didn't have 'music' or 'theater' in mind, however I cannot see why photography wouldn't be considered 'art' for the purposes of this critique, and the controversial piece in question is indeed one 'work'. I leave it to the judges as well to render their decision, and hopefully metion thier concerns regarding choice, should I be docked. Regardless of your decision, I hope this has brought something positive for you as a patron of the arts, and to our instigator whom also chose (literally) masterful works. Thank you!

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    Maybe you're not aware but because of the personal lives...

    Separate the art from the character or personification of the artist

    I don't quite follow everything in what was posted but judging by the last paragraph, There appears to be agreement here. Viewing art by a bad character is not wrong. The is the topic of the debate or what's suppose to be. Separating the art or the collective works is about judging according to the merits of it. Let the work speak for itself. Maybe you're not aware but because of the personal lives of these individuals, Their collective arts have been terminated from being broadcast-ed or distributed. I'm not certain whether currently the cancellation of these works have been lifted or not. We can agree the artist that designed the art is related. Not much else is relevant, Especially when the work has been designed to produce positive influence. Their personal circumstances should not enter into it or be an influence. I understand because of Ms. Roseanne Barr's commentary, It influenced some people that had an affect on her career. That had more to do with ratings, Appealing to people that would watch a t. V. Show. These are people that tie personal politics to somebody's work for a living. Again, Not allowing the merits of the work speak for itself. In this case amusing people, Making folks laugh, Is overshadowed by the sensitivity to the person's or performer's character. So whether it's a murderer or bank robber, Their contributions or donations to several charities and hospitals are positive deeds.

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    I apologize that I have to use an old debate's work. I...

    Art Critique Debate! (Not Drawing Competition)

    I apologize that I have to use an old debate's work. I did not have enough time. My reason is more than just the pretty colors. The picture itself symbolizes the conflice within man, the dialectical conflict. As Kierkegaard sais: all despair is pleasure, all pleasure despair. Now there are afew things to spot here. The first is the color of yellow, as Starry Night was made when Gough had lost it, and yellow is often a color of xanthophobic infatuation, it would be right to say that the deep strokes of yellow symbolize the mind wanting out. Now understand the Bible verse: 'Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, saying, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me.” Genesis 37:9'. You will find both the Sun, and the Moon, alongside exactly 11 circles of colors in the painting. You will also see the Church being particularly taller than the other buildings. Like Joseph who was cast out by his 11 brothers, Vincent obviously feels exiled by the critics who called him a loon, and bad at art for he was mixing impressionism with expressionism. Like Joseph he feels he is being protected from a Divine force. You will notice that the brush strokes are extremely difficult to reproduce, and larger wave collides with a smaller one. Similarly the moon is drawn in the Sun. This is that dialectic contradiction which had become Gough's very existence. Now take the mountain, it has no shade of yellow, it is devout, cast away and yet it has risen beyond even the Church to the very 11 planets. Similarly this is Gough at once trying to comfort himself, pain that very despair that is the existence of man. Taking fantasy and reality, what he was feeling, and combining it together. You can see that the base is a town, ordinary looking. That is Gough's origins, him convincing himself he is sane, with only higher ambitions. So because this is an utlimate piece of expressionism, and impressionsim; because it has unique brushstrokes and uses contrasting colors; and because it embodies that ultimate contadiction ot man: sanity and insanity; to be or not to be; I feel my opponent cannot place another art piece to its level. Here is the link if you cannot view the art work:http://www.debate.org... General Links: http://legomenon.com... By the way I know my S&G is bad here, but I should note that the voters are not supposed to consider that in their vote. Thank you.

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    Also, if these students are bad at art and the teachers...

    Art and Music Classes Should Be Banned In The United States Educational System

    I think that art and music classes should be banned in the United States Educational System for a couple of reasons. During my argument I will explain to you why I think that art and music classes should be banned in the U.S., (United States,) Educational System. School is a place for learning, not drawing and singing. This brings me to my first point, having art and music classes takes away from the time students could be learning important and useful things. For example, you have a student who is doing poorly in Math and doesn't really enjoy having to take work home. Now, if we took art and music classes out of schools, the classes would be longer so the student will have more time in class to work on homework and talk to the teacher about the work. My second reason is, some students are not very good at art or music. These students could fail the classes, I don't think that you can really grade art, but the teachers have to grade it. Also, if these students are bad at art and the teachers don't like the students art, the students can't really improve on their art. Then in music class, some students aren't good at music either, which could result in failing the class. Now, every school district has a different number of classes you can fail, but still pass the grade. So if a student failed art and music, they could fail the grade too. If a smart student failed art and music that would ruin their chances of getting into a good college, and that could ruin their lives. So, do you really want students failing in school because of un-educational classes? Thank you for reading my argument, I hope you enjoyed it.

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    Yes, the arts (of all forms) are beneficial to young...

    Music and art should not be cut from education

    Yes, the arts (of all forms) are beneficial to young people, however, I feel it's not the school's job to provide them. School is simply a place to learn the academics, that's what the tax payers pay for. This won't be the end of art for young ones, but it shouldn't be taught in public schools. If you drive around an average town chances are, you'll see many places where arts are taught, such as a music lessons place, a theater studio, etc. Not to mention in the time of the Internet there are a lot more ways to learn about various types of art and gain just as much knowledge as you would in a class. Not to mention, art is one of those things that should not be taught in a classroom setting. The marking is too bias, for such as subjective discipline. It would often lead to teachers imposing their bias and trying to say there is one way to do thing, for a one size fits all teachers like to do. This doesn't help the actual student, unless they happen to do things the same way as the teacher, naturally. This is my first debate too so we'll see how it goes.

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    TF2 was a unique class based FPS developed by Valve and...

    Team Fortress 2 hats are destoying the art style

    TF2 was a unique class based FPS developed by Valve and release in 2007. It was famous for its diversified classes and unique and appealing art style but in one update hats were introduced. Soon more hats were introduced with weirder designs and more unappealing looks. Now everyone has a weird hat and misc item that is mismatched and mixed with horrible colours that just make the TF2 art style to busy and unsightly and silly (The original style was cartoonish but it was consistant and didn't have hideous neon green jackets). I do not want to argue that the hats are a scam Valve made to get money from people and made TF2 based around trading. I dont want to argue whether F2P made TF2 bad. I just want to argue that the new hats have ruined the art style Valved had worked years on perfecting in development. (Note that this does not nessacarily represent my views on hats in TF2)