• PRO

    LSAC: "Law is more an art than a science. ... The study...

    Practicing law is more art than science.

    Inside law school. LSAC: "Law is more an art than a science. The reality lawyers seek in analyzing a case is not always well defined. Legal study, therefore, requires an attentive mind and a tolerance for ambiguity. Because many people believe incorrectly that the study of law involves the memorization of rules in books and principles dictated by learned professors, law schools often attract those people who especially value structure, authority, and order. The study of law does not involve this kind of certainty, however; complex legal questions do not have simple legal solutions."

  • CON

    Most Americans will not become musicians or artists in...

    Art and Music programs should be mandatory for students in Grade School

    Students should not be required to study art and music in secondary school. Most Americans will not become musicians or artists in their life, so it is a complete waste of their time to be studying a topic that they probably have little to no interest in. Skill sets such as Math, or Science, are important to be taught in school because they can potentially lead to a multitude of different career options. There are very few career choices available for someone with an incredible drawing ability, and they are very low-paying jobs at best. Schools should have art and music as optional courses for students to take if they want to pursue that course. But as for the majority of the student populace, who most likely will not become artists or musicians, they should not be wasting their time with things they don't enjoy or wish to spend time learning. I'm not trying to say that schools should remove all musical and artistic programs, I'm simply stating that they should not be made mandatory for all students; just the students who want to do them.

  • PRO

    I myself attended a district where most of the...

    Schools need music classes or other art classes and they should not be cut.

    Refutations to Con's Arguments: "Not only are there significant financial costs, but these programs also distract school districts from offering courses that are necessary for national economic advancement and self-sufficiency such as the sciences, mathematics, engineering, and technology classes." Con argues that music programs are significant financial costs but this is just a matter that differs from district to district. In some districts they spent less per pupil on core courses like math, reading, etc... but in others they actually spent more per pupil for these courses and less for non core courses or electives. On http://educationnext.org... in figure one they break down the costs for courses in a district. The break down shows that less money is spent on core courses but the electives are bundled into one cost. So for ALL electives it costs more per pupil not just music, or art, or one non core course separately. If the district were to break down those non core courses separately they may be less than some of the core courses. Con also argues that science, mathematics, engineering and technology classes are for national economic advancement and self sufficiency. This may be true, these courses can be very good for younger students with the hopes to improve our economy in the future and they do teach skills that can be very useful in the future, but not all students are going to need these courses. Not every student grows up and goes to college to be an engineering major or a biology major, some students will sit through these math and science courses and never use those lessons or skills for the rest of their lives. I guess you could say the same for music and art, that most students wont continue with those courses, but at least music and art also introduce students to culture, which is something everyone could use a little bit of. "These courses are typically resource intensive as they require not only teacher salaries, but incur significant facility, equipment, and travel costs" Con argues that these music courses involve a lot of equipment that the district has to purchase. This once again is an argument that differs among district. I myself attended a district where most of the instruments were privately owned or rented by students, there were some donated instruments that the school owned for some students to borrow but most of the instruments were not purchased by the district, yet the program was still in jeopardy. Most of these programs fundraise to pay for the equipment, the money for the equipment comes directly from within the program or from business that are willing to donate. So some districts do not even pay for the equipment. What the district does pay for is the teacher salary, but in most districts there is only one maybe two teachers for these courses where there are more teachers for core courses like reading or math. Con adds on to his argument that there are "travel costs". What travel costs not all schools non core courses go on trips or go anywhere and if they do the district isn't paying for all of it, normally when students go on trips they pay for their ticket or for where ever they are going, I can't remember a trip I ever went on where the district paid for all of transportation and for the actual trip. Where are these students traveling? Music and art classes are like any other class, they don't have to leave the classroom. "Art and music programs, rather can be achieved through various programs including partnerships with private non-private non-profit music and art organizations or hiring after school/extracurricular music instructors that do not place heavy demand on salaries" Cons arguments are not in fully cutting music programs, this argument suggests that they keep the programs or make new ones that are after school, they aren't fully against my argument that music and art programs should not be cut. If schools are so strapped that they can not have a music program or art classes or in some cases even sports teams, how are they going to hire after school staff to run these programs. Yes the salary may be less for an after school staff member but if some schools can't afford some of these programs during the day or can't afford coaches for sports teams after school, how are they going to pay for these after school salaries. Even if the programs are moved to after school and the salaries for these teachers are less, there still needs to be certain equipment like crayons, paper, instruments etc... So this reason con gives does not solve the problem in his previous argument. "Relief of academic pressure is not as important of a factor that a school board should consider when it questions whether it should preserve the arts curriculum or not." Con makes a good point by saying that school boards should consider the cost, and relative economic impact of the program; but one thing he forgot to mention was that the board should consider the students. Why should they cut music and arts programs and keep other things. In a study it has been proven that music calms, relaxes and stimulates parts of the brain we don't normally use. The arts like music, acting, and art are all career paths and without them in the schools there may be less students introduced to it, and less opportunities for students that may want to go into that career path. My arguments: Music has been proven to increase test scores, mainly in math but also in reading. There is a connection between music and how we learn. In an analysis of US Department of education data on more than 25,000 high school students, researchers found that students who were highly involved in music programs throughout middle school and elementary school showed higher levels of mathematics proficiency by grade 12; proving that those involved in music vs those who are not is more significant over time. Not only in math did students who were in music programs succeed but also in other subjects like language. Both music and language are processed in the same part of the brain and they both share similar patterns and structure. Those students involved in music programs often times develop a greater language capacity. Other studies also prove that student involves in music programs score higher on the SATs in both math and language. Without music classes, or without even the option of a music class could possibly affect the success of some students. If students aren't introduced to music and the arts in earlier years because the programs are being cut then they may not be as successful other core courses. Other sources: http://www.winmentalhealth.com... http://educationnext.org...

  • PRO

    So that counts as anything that'll cause one to...

    Separate the art from the character or personification of the artist

    Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes. Separate the art or workings of a person from their charscter. For example, Bill Cosby and R. Kelly, May have or have a restriction on their collective works from being advertised, Displayed or broadcasted. Music, Films, Tv shows banned and syndications cut off. Even for murderers, Molesters and theives, It's the same. Mr. Stanley Tookie Williams, A convict that had pushback I believe over his book being pushed. At least that's what I understand according to the movie. Regardless of what occurred in these folks lives, What they've done evidently or allegedly is separate from the positive works. For clarity or questions, Please comment or send a message prior to accepting the debate.

  • PRO

    When he was ten he learned he was "adopted" because of a...

    Sword Art Online is a Good show

    If it is alright with my opponent, I would also like to use SAO II as it is still Sword Art Online. Spoiler Alert! If you have yet to watch/ read SAO do not read this debate! The overall development, plot transition, and likeliness of twist of the SAO has been/is excellent. Development. For the readers who have yet to read/watch SAO, I will provide some back story. The protagonist Kirigaya "Kirito" Kazuto's parents died when he was very young. So it was decided that he would be raised by his aunt. When he was ten he learned he was "adopted" because of a little research he did. (He was a smart boy, he built a computer in elementary.) When he confronted his aunt about it she told him the truth. After this happened he turned toward technology over people. One day he applied to be a beta tester for the NerveGear and Sword Art Online. He was accepted as one of the 1,000. Together they only got to floor 10. Story. It starts off with Kirito and his new friend Klein sitting on a hill watching the sunset talking. A force teleportation sent everyone to The Town of Beginnings where the game master and creator Kayaba announced that the fact no one can log out was in fact a feature of the game. (Plot twist) He also announced that if you die in game, you die IRL. Also if any one tries to remove the NerveGear IRL you will die. He than says everyone has a gift in their inventory. When everyone takes out the "gift", its a mirror, it turns them into what they look like IRL. He then says good luck and leaves. While everyone stood there shocked Kirito grabbed Klein and ran. Once at the edge of the town Klein stopped saying he had to go back for some friends. Kirito said okay and left him. All this happened in episode one. Transition As of transitions, they also did an excellent job. When in between boss fights they had great side stories that were actually well thought out. Such as the one where there were "murders" in towns. Kirito and Asuna had just arrived in town to see a man hung and pierced by a spear. They then do an investigation and realized that it was all a hoax set up by a broken guild to see who killed their leader. (Plot twist) It was actually the husband in game and IRL. Who tried to higher a PK clan to finish off the rest of the guild. As of plot twists I have said a few up above but I will name others. 1.) While enjoying themselves after getting married and buying a house, Kirito and Asuna stumble upon a little girl in the woods. She says her name is Yui and doesn't remember anything to then fall asleep. Eventually she wakes up and asks if Asuna and Kirito are her parents and although they were hesitant at first they said yes. 2.) While Kirito and Asuna were battling a strong monster, dying against a strong monster, Yui walks out of the safety room and steps in front of Kirito and Asuna. Before they can say anything the monster tries to kill Yui but is blocked by the game (e.g.. Immortal Object). Yui then goes B.A on the monster pulls out a giant sword and kills it by touching it with the sword. She then reveals that she was a program for Aincrad that was to keep everyone sane but was blocked and told to not interact with anyone. By going against specific orders she has basically killed herself. She then opens up a keyboard and dies. 3.) After Yui dies Kirito starts typing furiously on the keyboard while in tears. Asuna asks him what he is doing and he replies he is using Yui's GM status to try and save her. He does in fact "save" her by turning her into an inanimate object and storing her in his local NerveGear memory. That is all for now because if I don't stop now I doubt I ever will. Good luck to my opponent and may the best debater win.

  • CON

    I will accept this debate as the con. Hats in Team...

    Team Fortress 2 hats are destoying the art style

    I will accept this debate as the con. Hats in Team Fortress do not take away from the art form Valve has created, but rather allow players to express ideas and (in more basic terms) themselves in a game where you can't see the person on the other end of the internet playing with you. Hats come in many forms, and usually derive from popular Internet memes and games which make up the Steam Library. Hats also provide special bonuses within the game, allowing new forms of customization within the world of TF2. With the creation of weapons, maps, and character models/skins being available for downloads, hats become another part of a very creative and diverse world. Hats also come from the users of the game, which allows the person to feel a "half-way connection" with the person they are controlling. The colors brightly pop to infuse the game with the player's personality and feelings. With hundreds of hats, its easy to find one that matches the player and their beliefs within the gaming world

  • CON

    If art fails the intended purpose by the artist, but...

    CMV: Art is practically useless, especially in the area of politics/making the world a better place.

    Okay I think I understand your position better now, because of the question "What's the goal?" Of course, if the only goal of a piece of art is to end a war, and it doesn't end the war, it was pracitcally useless *in regards to that specific goal*. Maybe this was a speech barrier problem, but to me, useless means "absolutely no use, in no respect whatsoever". Does "useless" only mean "not usefull for the intended goal right now" for you? Thats why your question puzzled me a bit. I think goals are completely irrelevant to your argument, that art is useless. If art fails the intended purpose by the artist, but instead enriches the lives of millions, or even only one person (the artist him/herself), how is it useless? It has been made use of! Maybe not the intended one, but there are an inconcievable amount of other possible und potential uses. If your Thread would have been something like: "Art never reaches it's intended goal, if this goal is anything significant in the area of politics", my argument would miss your point, but thats just not what you have said, right?

  • CON

    Furthermore, then like you said even performing arts...

    which is more popular performing arts like plays, movies and music (con) or visual art (pro)

    My opponent mentions someone of 'Kathy'. This is for humor or what? Pro talks about visual art being present everywhere, such as food and table designs. But I talk about the main form, which is painting and sculpturing. Furthermore, then like you said even performing arts would fall in visual art, hence there shall be no reason to debate. Blindness is a symptom everyone would want to avoid due to high amount of visual stimuli received. But I talk about the visual ARTS, which is mostly painting, coloring and sculpturing. Performing arts include plays, movies and music, which are the extremely popular forms of art. Visual art has only museums that people see, and over-expensive paintings that common people can't buy. On the other hand, performing arts is well known by people, is cheap for 1 person but wields large profit when many people see it, so both the sides are pleased. No common man can buy a piece of artwork though. So, due to its compatibility with the audience it has reached new heights of popularity, while the arts have not progressed on such a wide scale.

  • PRO

    Yes,science students are better than art students and i...

    Science students are better than art student

    Yes,science students are better than art students and i say so without missing words.This is because the world today revolves around science.Take a good look at your surrounding,bet me you can pinpoint at least 10 things science had made.For example, the system you're on,your phone, your fan,AC,TV, internet,your generator or powerplant were all made by the work of science. Permit me to use the bible,GOD was a scientist, he dealt with facts and figure because he created all bodies in space before light knowing that this light would come from a source which is hydrogen thats present in all stars.Adam was also a scientist because he practiced biology on Eve before she concieved,Food and Nutrition when he ate the fruits from the sacred tree because it was nutritious,and many more. Think about it we have history on our side.

  • PRO

    I think that there should be more government invovlement...

    I agree that art and music should be essential to learn in school.

    I agree that art and music should be essential to learn in schools, public or private. It is a way to bring culture and education into children minds. I think that there should be more government invovlement such as prividing aid, specially, for public schools to buy instruments and other tools in order for this to happen. There should be more music competition between schools so the childern would also have to particpiparte in a productive and interactive way.